Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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mulucy
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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aboulfad wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:24 pm
shawnc22 wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:03 pm
When you’re doing conversions from a UHD disc to single layer, you’re going to lose data (neglible in MEL). ... The issue complicates when you further force the single-layer product to profile 5. Original profile 5 videos are encoded in a different colorspace than UHD discs, and the current available conversion process is not doing any colorspace conversions. When a player encounters a converted profile 5 video, it will play it in the p5 (IPTPQc2) colorspace, but the file is still encoded in the original UHD profile 7 colorspace— leading to potential chromatic abberations. Streaming services don’t have this issue simply because their content is encoded in profile 5 to begin with. The BL in these content is completely different than the one found on UHD discs. For more reading on BLs, ELs, RPUs, and anything DV/HDR related, I would start here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... ostcount=4.
Hi, thank you ! in summary - Mode 2 of yusesope's tool is NOT doing a colorspace conversion from UHD P7 to P5, hence the potential artefacts. So what do we end up with in terms of pic quality for a single track single layer (STSL) P5 processed from an original UHD P7 ? (which is the only option for Infuse Pro->ATV4k users)

I have been trying to disseminate differences between the media shared by yusesope in THIS post on my LG OLED65E7P (via usb3) and I find it hard to find some (comparing STSL P5 with STDL P7 on my TV).

Once I receive my gear, I will rip some DV movies that I also have on ATV4k and "try" to compare the PQ: ATV original P5 vs (UHD P7 -> Mode 2 - STSL P5). It seems though that the exercise of ripping UHD to eventually stream them to ATV4K is probably inferior in PQ but I wanted to have control on the audio part.
Profile 5 created from UHD disks with Yusecope's tools is still better than HDR10 BL. It's more like HDR10+ with dynamic metadata with adjusted scene-by-scene brightness. However, you are not getting the correct color space ( it does not mean the picture is messed up ). With Profile 5 created from UHD disc, you are viewing the best picture possible on your Apple TV 4K with Infuse Pro and plus the convenience of it. I also own the Sony X700 and sometimes watch movies with Profile 7 FEL if it's available. Plus, own a Fire TV 4k Cube/Stick. The ladder is capable of playing Profile 8/7 MEL with correct color space created with Yusecope's tools.

My choice goes to Fire TV if a disk encoded with MEL only and if it has FEL, I go with Sony X700. Again, I still don't mind using "Profile 5 " on my Apple TV 4K since I like the Infuse Pro.
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Manixx2020beyound wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:39 pm
I say this because we can play a fel real uhd disc in LLDV is that producing a less imperfect image than the dv rgb8 FEL ?sending the meta
I’m not sure 100% on that part of the equation.
there is no DV metadata being sent with LLDV. The metadata was already used by the device to create the DV image.
Manixx2020beyound wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:39 pm
Some do believe computation processing is best left to devices than the uhdtv.
So the real question is, is device processing better than uhd tv which each UhDtv tone maps differently producing different doblyvision picture baced on tv limitations
best picture will be tv-led, hence letting a full DV capable TV create the DV image. For LLDV, the player has to guess some of the many parameters hence image will be less correct.
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mulucy wrote:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:15 am
Profile 5 created from UHD disks with Yusecope's tools is still better than HDR10 BL. It's more like HDR10+ with dynamic metadata with adjusted scene-by-scene brightness. However, you are not getting the correct color space ( it does not mean the picture is messed up ). With Profile 5 created from UHD disc, you are viewing the best picture possible on your Apple TV 4K with Infuse Pro and plus the convenience of it. I also own the Sony X700 and sometimes watch movies with Profile 7 FEL if it's available. Plus, own a Fire TV 4k Cube/Stick. The ladder is capable of playing Profile 8/7 MEL with correct color space created with Yusecope's tools.

My choice goes to Fire TV if a disk encoded with MEL only and if it has FEL, I go with Sony X700. Again, I still don't mind using "Profile 5 " on my Apple TV 4K since I like the Infuse Pro.
Santa delivered ahead of time an Asus BW16-D1HT, I am now encouraged to attempt few rips and processing to P5 STSL. The best device with the best PQ remains our trusted Oppo UDP-203+UHD discs :) I also find Infuse Pro fun and convenient. thank you for the feedback.
[Oppo UDP-203, ATV 4K] —> Anthem MRX-720 —> LG OLED65E7P
cipher
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pete19 wrote:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:36 am
there is no DV metadata being sent with LLDV. The metadata was already used by the device to create the DV image.

best picture will be tv-led, hence letting a full DV capable TV create the DV image. For LLDV, the player has to guess some of the many parameters hence image will be less correct.
Lots of interesting info over the past few pages and I'm trying to catch-up. Does this mean that even if the Shield fixes their color issues with DV content, the DV stream still won't be as accurate as TV led DV?

Also, what exactly is TV-led DV and how do you achieve this on an LG OLED? For the many of us using the Plex ecosystem is there any client that offers this possibility?

Finally, does this LLDV vs TV-led DV difference also extend to other HDR variants like HDR-10?
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:05 pm
Roberespa wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:46 am
Inside the LG menu.
The television model says:
OLED55B6V-Z
and at the end an interesting fact.
Dolby Vision 0.9.0

I also tried MakeMKV v1.15.3 but the TV won't open it.
Demomento only worked (opened it) with Dolby Vision in .mp4

Thanks for answering me.
I wait your answer.

I don't know if the problem will be the file size ... = (
you don't need a ts/mkv file if you play them in your LG B6. stick with the mp4muxer.
DaMacFunkin wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:07 am

Hi, you don’t say what your playback device is?
TLOTR and The Hobbit are MEL so the easiest way to create Dolby Vision MKV is Makemkv.
LOTR are [s] FEL DV [/s]
Hello there...
Does anyone knows why my LG E6 plays many DV movies in a green tint (like all Mission Impossible etc) and if there is a solution to it?
Thanks in advance
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Ok, just watched this video from Vincent explaining the difference between TV-led and Player-led DV so I can see where TV-led would be the better option...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_a77zJTrO4

Also, I found the following quotes on the nVidia forums:
The Shield supports both and will do TV-led if your TV supports it...
It does TV-led for me and I still get the slight red push.
Hi I didn’t think the Shield was doing TV-led with my C9 but it actually is, shame they can’t nail this on shield...
Therefore, assuming my LG B7 is capable of TV-led DV and the Shield can detect this and send the DV for the TV to process, is TV-led DV the result when using a Plex client that plays DV on the Shield? I'm currently switching between the native Plex client and the Kodi plex client on my Shield and want to make sure I'm aware of any differences here when playing DV mkv's.
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cipher wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:06 am
Ok, just watched this video from Vincent explaining the difference between TV-led and Player-led DV so I can see where TV-led would be the better option...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_a77zJTrO4

Also, I found the following quotes on the nVidia forums:
The Shield supports both and will do TV-led if your TV supports it...
It does TV-led for me and I still get the slight red push.
Hi I didn’t think the Shield was doing TV-led with my C9 but it actually is, shame they can’t nail this on shield...
Therefore, assuming my LG B7 is capable of TV-led DV and the Shield can detect this and send the DV for the TV to process, is TV-led DV the result when using a Plex client that plays DV on the Shield? I'm currently switching between the native Plex client and the Kodi plex client on my Shield and want to make sure I'm aware of any differences here when playing DV mkv's.
Yes, it should be using TV-led DV on your B7
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Can someone please share tsmuxer 05.06 fix :D
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I share this picture to discuss possible reasons why Shield TV Player-led STDL very close to Oppo TV-led DTDL
Any ideas? :roll:
Pay attention on yellow beak
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Manixx2020beyound
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lexyz wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:28 pm
I share this picture to discuss possible reasons why Shield TV Player-led STDL very close to Oppo TV-led DTDL
Any ideas? :roll:
Pay attention on yellow beak
What type of uhd Tv is the tv-led dv ?
Sorry but oppo don’t look that good to me.
X700 takes it all lol.
RESET_9999
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lexyz wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:28 pm
I share this picture to discuss possible reasons why Shield TV Player-led STDL very close to Oppo TV-led DTDL
Any ideas? :roll:
Pay attention on yellow beak
top picture is from the Vincent video ??
As I told you in PM, you can't compare the images from his video/TV with the images from your camera/TV. it means nothing
Not the same room, not the same tv, not the same camera / settings etc...
On my calibrated monitor, all 4 pictures look completely different and the shield picture doesnt look at all close to the oppo tv-led but as i said, its meaningless.
zxaura1 wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:43 am
Hello there...
Does anyone knows why my LG E6 plays many DV movies in a green tint (like all Mission Impossible etc) and if there is a solution to it?
Thanks in advance
it's related to the metadata.. If i remember correctly , the combination of Mastering display luminance 1000 nits and P3 color causes the green screen issue on 2016 OLED LG TVs. The solution is an external player like the x700, the shield or FirestickTV.
it was discussed a long time ago when the mp4muxer came out.
Sorry for my English.
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Manixx2020beyound wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:09 pm

Sorry but oppo don’t look that good to me.
X700 takes it all lol.
I don't think so... Vincent said he tested the Panasonic bluray player as well.
Also,  Stacey Spears (creator of Spears and Munsil) confirmed that all the bluray players will have this issue when doing player-led DV.

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EDIT: Also it sounds like @pete was right about FEL being 422, or Don't I understand whats Stacey is saying ?

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shawnc22 wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
MastaG wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:12 am
So which players are capable of playing FEL remuxes from network sources (Plex/Emby/SMB), e.g. the full deal retaining the 12bit 4000nits final picture like when playing the original disc?
e.g. remuxed into a TS or MKV container so I can add a high def audio track?
From network? The oppo and that's it.
I just acquired a Sony UBP-x800M2 and it can play m2ts (BDMV folders aren't supported) DV remuxes created by tsMuxeR over the network (albeit via DLNA only - I'm using built in DLNA app on my Synology NASes to serve up content to the X800M2).
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glc650 wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:14 pm
shawnc22 wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am
MastaG wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:12 am
So which players are capable of playing FEL remuxes from network sources (Plex/Emby/SMB), e.g. the full deal retaining the 12bit 4000nits final picture like when playing the original disc?
e.g. remuxed into a TS or MKV container so I can add a high def audio track?
From network? The oppo and that's it.
I just acquired a Sony UBP-x800M2 and it can play m2ts (BDMV folders aren't supported) DV remuxes created by TSmuxeR over the network (albeit via DLNA only - I'm using built in DLNA app on my Synology NASes to serve up content to the X800M2).
Does it have 100mbit Ethernet though? That will be too slow for some titles. X700 I believe is the same.
glc650
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PlatypusW wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:15 pm
glc650 wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:14 pm
shawnc22 wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:16 am

From network? The oppo and that's it.
I just acquired a Sony UBP-x800M2 and it can play m2ts (BDMV folders aren't supported) DV remuxes created by TSmuxeR over the network (albeit via DLNA only - I'm using built in DLNA app on my Synology NASes to serve up content to the X800M2).
Does it have 100mbit Ethernet though? That will be too slow for some titles. X700 I believe is the same.
It does, but it also supports 802.11ac (WiFi 5) albeit only 1x1 but that's still enough to get me well over 100mbps (connected to my UAP-AC-HD at ~300 or higher every time I've checked).
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