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Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:43 am
by BrianDW
Why in the name of Odin won't disc-drive manufacturers make disc drives that work with 4K UHD discs?
Am I insane? Am I the only one baffled that we must seek out OLD models and / or restore old firmware to make them compatible with NEW discs?
What kind of product manufacturer makes products that purposefully fail at their intended purpose?
JUST WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?
Some manufactures label their drives as UHD drives, but we all know that is a lie. How is this legal?
Why hasn't one sane, rational drive-maker simply manufactured a drive that is UHD compatible out of the box?
Doesn't any drive manufacturer want to make more money?
In all seriousness: WTF?
End of rant. Thank you for your indulgence. If you can provide a rational answer, you have my gratitude.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:22 am
by MartyMcNuts
BrianDW wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:43 am
Why in the name of Odin won't disc-drive manufacturers make disc drives that work with 4K UHD discs?
Am I insane? Am I the only one baffled that we must seek out OLD models and / or restore old firmware to make them compatible with NEW discs?
What kind of product manufacturer makes products that purposefully fail at their intended purpose?
JUST WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?
Some manufactures label their drives as UHD drives, but we all know that is a lie. How is this legal?
Why hasn't one sane, rational drive-maker simply manufactured a drive that is UHD compatible out of the box?
Doesn't any drive manufacturer want to make more money?
In all seriousness: WTF?
End of rant. Thank you for your indulgence. If you can provide a rational answer, you have my gratitude.
The manufacturers design them to "play" UHD discs and only when your system meets the very stringent UHD playback requirements. They have never been designed to allow "ripping" of UHD discs. Therefore, they can still be used for their intended purpose (UHD disc playback). All drives marketed as UHD drives are capable of UHD disc playback.
Ripping is a bonus that we, the community, had figured out. Manufacturers have since been trying to stop us from "ripping" our UHD discs. Pioneer have so far succeeded, using encrypted firmware and other methods that have so far stopped the downgrading of newer drives, thus the need for models with older firmware that is still libredrive compatible.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:36 pm
by BrianDW
Yet they have no problem making and marketing drives that rip CD, DVD and Blu-ray.
It seems to me that people buying 4K discs people are the exact same people who buy the kind of electronics Pioneer and other manufacturers sell. We obviously have money to spend, and doing things to alienate your customer base is asinine.
A SMART manufacture would make, market and sell a UHD drive that is capable of ripping UHD discs out of the box.
Offering features customers want that others do not is how sales are made.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:24 pm
by MrPenguin
BrianDW wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:43 am
Why in the name of Odin won't disc-drive manufacturers make disc drives that work with 4K UHD discs?
Am I insane? Am I the only one baffled that we must seek out OLD models and / or restore old firmware to make them compatible with NEW discs?
What kind of product manufacturer makes products that purposefully fail at their intended purpose?
JUST WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?
Your UHD drives are all perfectly
capable of ripping/playing UHD disks. You are simply missing an AACSv2 host certificate that is required to
use this capability. I believe one of these is provided once you have prostrated yourself before the AACS-LA, and given them either your soul or first-born - or possibly both? (The previous method of obtaining one via Intel SGX has been deprecated.)
LibreDrive was created to use this UHD capability without needing an AACSv2 host certificate, but unfortunately it only works with some firmware versions
.
The only reason we (currently) don't have this exact same problem with ordinary BluRays (that also enable bus encryption) is that some unrevoked AACSv1 host certificates are known publicly.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:27 pm
by BrianDW
I sold my soul to rock 'n roll and my first born to the circus.
It seems insane that no manufacturer of disk drives hasn't sought to capture a market by releasing a drive designed to rip every kind of media disc.
People who buy physical media (particularly 4K movies) obviously have plenty of disposable income. You would think the disc-drive makers would want some of that. Do electronics manufacturers not understand capitalism?
Are manufacturers of drives concerned about legal ramifications? Jesus Christ. This is America. It's legal to manufacture and sell gun silencers, and the manufacturers can't be held liable for crimes committed utilizing their products.
No manufacturer needs to worry about somebody ripping a disk.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:39 pm
by MrPenguin
BrianDW wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:27 pm
No manufacturer needs to worry about somebody ripping a disk.
I'm sorry, but you are
obviously a Pirate and therefore guilty of crimes worse than those against Humanity. Please stay where you are while the Film Studios calculate your latitude and longitude, and then dispatch either a military drone or an ICBM to your position
.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:35 pm
by MartyMcNuts
BrianDW wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:36 pm
Yet they have no problem making and marketing drives that rip CD, DVD and Blu-ray.
It seems to me that people buying 4K discs people are the exact same people who buy the kind of electronics Pioneer and other manufacturers sell. We obviously have money to spend, and doing things to alienate your customer base is asinine.
A SMART manufacture would make, market and sell a UHD drive that is capable of ripping UHD discs out of the box.
Offering features customers want that others do not is how sales are made.
No manufacturer creates their drives for ripping any format as ripping (circumventing copy protection) is illegal. If they did so, they would face severe consequences.
They create their products to play discs and to write your own personal data to discs.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:55 pm
by BrianDW
There are noise laws in cities, yet parts made to augment how load a vehicle is are legal.
There are speed limits. Yet your car easily exceeds them. You can upgrade your car to go vastly faster.
It would not be illegal to manufacture a product that circumvent DRM, just as it is not illegal to sell software that does such.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:01 pm
by MrPenguin
BrianDW wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:55 pm
There are speed limits. Yet your car easily exceeds them. You can upgrade your car to go vastly faster.
Sure, and those blue and red flashing lights that you see in the rear-view mirror as you race down the Interstate are really just cheering you on
!
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:25 am
by BrianDW
Did I write anything related to your reply? I think you missed the point in pursuit of a joke. It happens.
It is often legal to make, market and sell a machine that allows one to break the law. It is illegal to break the law.
Re: Why on God's Earth won't UHD Drives work with UHD discs?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:09 am
by MrPenguin
BrianDW wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:25 am
Did I write anything related to your reply? I think you missed the point in pursuit of a joke. It happens.
It is often legal to make, market and sell a machine that allows one to break the law. It is illegal to break the law.
Quite frankly, the Movie Studios have been trying to control physical media content for
decades. BluRay disk formats are controlled by AACS-LA, so if disk manufacturers want to licence their technology then they also need to agree to play by their rules in a legally binding way. I just don't see that changing any time soon.
And don't forget that
Redfox/AnyDVD disappeared last year too and I am fairly sure that lawyers were involved, although I am not privy to the details...