Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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kws53 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:36 pm
Good to know...
Follow-up on .ts format for x700. Do we use SL or DL?
Single Layer -> Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
OR Dual Layer-> Video 1 -> SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Video 2 -> Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible

And FWIW, would either of these perform BETTER than an MKV (GAMMA) on the Shield?
Well profile 04.06 is also dual layer DV but it's not the correct profile for DV with an HDR10 BL. It's used for SDR BL + EL DV

What you meant to ask is: should we use Single-Track Dual-layer profile 7 (same type as makemkv) or Dual-Track Dual-layer profile 7 (tsmuxer remux)?
on the x700, all the profiles are supported but some ST DL P7 files don't work while ALL the DT DL P7 files work.

So I prefer using:
OR Dual Layer-> Video 1 -> SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Video 2 -> Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:55 pm
Well profile 04.06 is also dual layer DV but it's not the correct profile for DV with an HDR10 BL. It's used for SDR BL + EL DV

What you meant to ask is: should we use Single-Track Dual-layer profile 7 (same type as makemkv) or Dual-Track Dual-layer profile 7 (tsmuxer remux)?
on the x700, all the profiles are supported but some ST DL P7 files don't work while ALL the DT DL P7 files work.

So I prefer using:
OR Dual Layer-> Video 1 -> SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Video 2 -> Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Thanks. So - Latest TSMuxer release (JustDan) is the perfect way to go creating DT DL P7.
Final question - your signature refers to a .TS file from DolbyLabs (I downloaded) and you refer to it "fixing" a DL problem on the x700? I'm confused based on what you say above...
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kws53 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:17 pm
Thanks. So - Latest TSMuxer release (JustDan) is the perfect way to go creating DT DL P7.
Final question - your signature refers to a .TS file from DolbyLabs (I downloaded) and you refer to it "fixing" a DL problem on the x700? I'm confused based on what you say above...
yeah, the TS/M2TS files created by tsMuxer have a bug.
When you stop playback of a DT-DL TS file, the next file you play will have a green or purple tint on it. The x700 and the Oppo somehow get locked in that mode and only(besides rebooting) playing the TS demo file in my signature will unlock the player. I think playing back an original UHD-BD should unlock the player as well.
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
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double post sorry
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
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Now that it is clear that the Shield/CX has a problem with DV, does it make sense to remux the DV releases to HDR10 (drop the EL+RPU layer)? Or is what we are seeing equivalent to HDR10, only labelled as DV?
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kws53 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:26 pm
Now that it is clear that the Shield/CX has a problem with DV, does it make sense to remux the DV releases to HDR10 (drop the EL+RPU layer)? Or is what we are seeing equivalent to HDR10, only labelled as DV?
Just play the DV remuxes in an app that doesn't support DV (non-beta Kodi, Emby, Mxplayer, etc) and they'll properly ignore the DV layer and play it in HDR10. All the DV mkvs that makemkv make are HDR10 backwards compatible.
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kws53 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:26 pm
Now that it is clear that the Shield/CX has a problem with DV, does it make sense to remux the DV releases to HDR10 (drop the EL+RPU layer)? Or is what we are seeing equivalent to HDR10, only labelled as DV?
while it's ignoring the EL, you are still getting dynamic HDR from the Shield. It's no better than HDR10plus and it's superior to HDR10.
But yes, because of the red push issue, I think HDR10 is better. Not anyone will notice the issue though, there are a couple of clowns on avsforum that say we are all crazy and that the red push does not exist.
So if you don't really care about color accuracy and losing FEL, the shield DV output is fine.

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FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:24 pm
deadchip12 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:28 pm
so if I understand correctly, with the x700 playing the m2ts file via usb, the subs for those Italian lines will not appear because they are not hardcoded? Hmm that could be troublesome... I remember in The Inglorious Bastards for example, there are lot of hardcoded subs for non-English lines. Not sure if those are hardcoded or not.
No, you didn't understand correctly. Any subtitles track on the x700 work but you just have to activate them manually.
The x700 file playback is just unable to detect the forced flags in the container therefore, cannot activate the subs automatically.
The need for manual activation of the correct sub-track with m2ts is pretty much a dealbreaker for me having lived in the world of carefully tagged mkv files with automatic sub activation via Kodi etc. But there is a scenario where I wonder if the m2ts approach would really fall over: titles where the forced subs are embedded in the main sub track, rather than in a separate dedicated track. Most titles use the dedicated track method. Game of Thrones (at least the bluray version) uses forced subs in the main track - when ripping, if you tick the forced box, you end up with an extra track from makemkv for many of the episodes. I don't know if the UHD discs are the same, but if GoT was converted to m2ts, I would expect that you would either have to watch with the full sub track on for all dialogue, or disable and miss the subs for all those "foreign language" scenes. I suppose one would have to do some extra processing to create another track just with the forced subs, then merge in? Seems like quite a lot of hassle?
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:30 pm
kazuma wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:31 pm
Really, the only solution for all your problems is the chinoppo.
Well, how much cost the chinoppo? where can you buy it ? is it Cinavia free?

the x700 is only 240USD and can easily be bought on amazon or less than 150USD used on ebay
yes, cinavia free 350usd. https://www.avpasion.com/foro/t/m9702-m ... 9702.2469/

it cost little more, but this box solves all your problems. and it's the best picture you can get on the market. (same oppo-203 quality)
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kazuma wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:25 pm

yes, cinavia free 350usd. https://www.avpasion.com/foro/t/m9702-m ... 9702.2469/

it cost little more, but this box solves all your problems. and it's the best picture you can get on the market. (same oppo-203 quality)
Thank's
DV quality is the same on all the bluray players.
For SDR and HDR10, an HTPC with madvr gives the best quality.
morbius wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:57 pm
The need for manual activation of the correct sub-track with m2ts is pretty much a dealbreaker for me having lived in the world of carefully tagged mkv files with automatic sub activation via Kodi etc. But there is a scenario where I wonder if the m2ts approach would really fall over: titles where the forced subs are embedded in the main sub track, rather than in a separate dedicated track. Most titles use the dedicated track method. Game of Thrones (at least the bluray version) uses forced subs in the main track - when ripping, if you tick the forced box, you end up with an extra track from makemkv for many of the episodes. I don't know if the UHD discs are the same, but if GoT was converted to m2ts, I would expect that you would either have to watch with the full sub track on for all dialogue, or disable and miss the subs for all those "foreign language" scenes. I suppose one would have to do some extra processing to create another track just with the forced subs, then merge in? Seems like quite a lot of hassle?
yes that's a good point.
Please forgive my English.
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FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:32 pm
kazuma wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:25 pm

yes, cinavia free 350usd. https://www.avpasion.com/foro/t/m9702-m ... 9702.2469/

it cost little more, but this box solves all your problems. and it's the best picture you can get on the market. (same oppo-203 quality)
Thank's
DV quality is the same on all the bluray players.
For SDR and HDR10, an HTPC with madvr gives the best quality.
morbius wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:57 pm
The need for manual activation of the correct sub-track with m2ts is pretty much a dealbreaker for me having lived in the world of carefully tagged mkv files with automatic sub activation via Kodi etc. But there is a scenario where I wonder if the m2ts approach would really fall over: titles where the forced subs are embedded in the main sub track, rather than in a separate dedicated track. Most titles use the dedicated track method. Game of Thrones (at least the bluray version) uses forced subs in the main track - when ripping, if you tick the forced box, you end up with an extra track from makemkv for many of the episodes. I don't know if the UHD discs are the same, but if GoT was converted to m2ts, I would expect that you would either have to watch with the full sub track on for all dialogue, or disable and miss the subs for all those "foreign language" scenes. I suppose one would have to do some extra processing to create another track just with the forced subs, then merge in? Seems like quite a lot of hassle?
yes that's a good point.
I’ll be testing this next week,
I still have a few of there high end Blu-ray/iso player they were solid network players. TvLed /player led iso/Blu-ray & 4k uhd doblyvision & hdr10 plus.

https://www.dune-hd.com/collections/fro ... ifications
With this device u won’t have to load your bdmv in folders .
Or fiddle with fast forward or fast reverse.
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Does this dune support bdmv and iso with menu's?
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kazuma wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:29 pm
Does this dune support bdmv and iso with menu's?
Probably more important question is whether this dune can properly decode dual layer (single track or dual track) DV. Not sure if anyone actually has one in hand yet, but I'm guessing it'll be soon and then we'll see.
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Sorry if I insist, maybe you lost my message due to post approvation.

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 35#p104635

Can someone help me?
Thanks

(point c, if I understand correctly, the right answer is 2 video tracks)
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shawnc22 wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:39 pm
kazuma wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:29 pm
Does this dune support bdmv and iso with menu's?
Probably more important question is whether this dune can properly decode dual layer (single track or dual track) DV. Not sure if anyone actually has one in hand yet, but I'm guessing it'll be soon and then we'll see.
if he can play bdmv and iso, than he can play dual DV.
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