Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Mattl0
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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mattmarsden wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:16 pm
OK, dual track MP4 plays fine through the internal player with FEL so it must be a Kodi issue it not playing smoothly.
Please check if it is outputting in 1080p
bobbymkV
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Life has been going too good, so decided to check out the AM6+ v0.4.1 "RC" firmware even though it's very late. My only use case is playing FEL mkv with the special Kodi.

Still random whether a media file plays or not? CHECK
Video jumps forward 30-40 seconds and stutters? CHECK
Have to mash on the power button half the time you try to stop playing? CHECK

Seems 0.4.1 won't fix the issues we have with FEL. :(
Last edited by bobbymkV on Sat May 29, 2021 2:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
daddy
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k

It seems to be the long awaited product ...
Playback of Dolby Vision Blu-ray images

The media player supports direct playback of full Blu-ray disc images (BMDV and ISO) in Dolby Vision format (MEL and FEL), even when using full Blu-ray menu. The extended Dolby Vision information is used and transmitted to the TV to improve the picture quality. This is possible due to the unique video playback and output engine created by Dune HD. Other RTD1619DR-based media players do not support this. Dune HD media players are the only hybrid network media players in the world that combine support for Dolby Vision Blu-ray disc images with support for Internet video services and Android applications in one device.

Widest support for Dolby Vision file formats

Dolby Vision is supported for all popular file formats (BDMV, BD ISO, MKV, MP4, TS, M2TS). All popular Dolby Vision profiles (P4, P5, P7 MEL and FEL, P8) are supported. The media player supports the largest number of variations of Dolby Vision file formats of any other media player.
shawnc22
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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daddy wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:43 am
Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k

It seems to be the long awaited product ...
Playback of Dolby Vision Blu-ray images

The media player supports direct playback of full Blu-ray disc images (BMDV and ISO) in Dolby Vision format (MEL and FEL), even when using full Blu-ray menu. The extended Dolby Vision information is used and transmitted to the TV to improve the picture quality. This is possible due to the unique video playback and output engine created by Dune HD. Other RTD1619DR-based media players do not support this. Dune HD media players are the only hybrid network media players in the world that combine support for Dolby Vision Blu-ray disc images with support for Internet video services and Android applications in one device.

Widest support for Dolby Vision file formats

Dolby Vision is supported for all popular file formats (BDMV, BD ISO, MKV, MP4, TS, M2TS). All popular Dolby Vision profiles (P4, P5, P7 MEL and FEL, P8) are supported. The media player supports the largest number of variations of Dolby Vision file formats of any other media player.
Pretty sure there's no difference between all the other existing Realtek 1619DR based products out there. Dune has done this in the past in that when they mention "FEL support", they don't actually mean they utilize data from the FEL. It just means that the device can safely ignore the FEL, apply the DV RPU data directly onto the BL, and playback FEL content without issue (just like the Shield, Zidoo Z9X, and couple other Dune players). There's likely a hardware limitation to the Realtek SOCs that prevents full FEL support.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by bgalakazam »

No HDMI 2.1, same price as Shield Pro...

Can somebody say if it support FEL by actually playing back the data?
Sony X700 -> Onkyo TX-RZ830 -> LG C8
shawnc22
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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bgalakazam wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 4:14 pm
No HDMI 2.1, same price as Shield Pro...

Can somebody say if it support FEL by actually playing back the data?
What're you trying to watch that requires hdmi 2.1 on a media player?
nekno
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Anyone know what would cause FF/RW to work on the Sony X700 playing an m2ts dvhe.07 FEL file from USB that's 2mins long, but not on a file that's 3hrs long?
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nekno wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 12:01 am
Anyone know what would cause FF/RW to work on the Sony X700 playing an m2ts dvhe.07 FEL file from USB that's 2mins long, but not on a file that's 3hrs long?
I believe that FF/RW is not possible on m2ts files over a certain length on the x700. People ran into that problem with the Lord of the Rings extended cuts. If you search this thread, you'll find some posts about the issue.

The only workaround is to use TSmuxer to create a Blu-Ray folder output using the mpls of the main film and place those folders created by TSmuxer in the root of the USB drive. Then you'll be able to FF/RW. The catch is that you can only have one film in the root at a time.
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daddy wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:43 am
Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k

It seems to be the long awaited product ...
Playback of Dolby Vision Blu-ray images

The media player supports direct playback of full Blu-ray disc images (BMDV and ISO) in Dolby Vision format (MEL and FEL), even when using full Blu-ray menu. The extended Dolby Vision information is used and transmitted to the TV to improve the picture quality. This is possible due to the unique video playback and output engine created by Dune HD. Other RTD1619DR-based media players do not support this. Dune HD media players are the only hybrid network media players in the world that combine support for Dolby Vision Blu-ray disc images with support for Internet video services and Android applications in one device.

Widest support for Dolby Vision file formats

Dolby Vision is supported for all popular file formats (BDMV, BD ISO, MKV, MP4, TS, M2TS). All popular Dolby Vision profiles (P4, P5, P7 MEL and FEL, P8) are supported. The media player supports the largest number of variations of Dolby Vision file formats of any other media player.
Looks promising, but as usual we need reviews or testing since we know how the ugoos or many other players ended up as a disappointment.
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XTrojan wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 10:01 am
daddy wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:43 am
Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k

It seems to be the long awaited product ...
Playback of Dolby Vision Blu-ray images

The media player supports direct playback of full Blu-ray disc images (BMDV and ISO) in Dolby Vision format (MEL and FEL), even when using full Blu-ray menu. The extended Dolby Vision information is used and transmitted to the TV to improve the picture quality. This is possible due to the unique video playback and output engine created by Dune HD. Other RTD1619DR-based media players do not support this. Dune HD media players are the only hybrid network media players in the world that combine support for Dolby Vision Blu-ray disc images with support for Internet video services and Android applications in one device.

Widest support for Dolby Vision file formats

Dolby Vision is supported for all popular file formats (BDMV, BD ISO, MKV, MP4, TS, M2TS). All popular Dolby Vision profiles (P4, P5, P7 MEL and FEL, P8) are supported. The media player supports the largest number of variations of Dolby Vision file formats of any other media player.
Looks promising, but as usual we need reviews or testing since we know how the ugoos or many other players ended up as a disappointment.
It does sound promising. It can be a game-changer if it works as advertised!
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shawnc22 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 3:31 pm
daddy wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:43 am
Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k

It seems to be the long awaited product ...
Playback of Dolby Vision Blu-ray images

The media player supports direct playback of full Blu-ray disc images (BMDV and ISO) in Dolby Vision format (MEL and FEL), even when using full Blu-ray menu. The extended Dolby Vision information is used and transmitted to the TV to improve the picture quality. This is possible due to the unique video playback and output engine created by Dune HD. Other RTD1619DR-based media players do not support this. Dune HD media players are the only hybrid network media players in the world that combine support for Dolby Vision Blu-ray disc images with support for Internet video services and Android applications in one device.

Widest support for Dolby Vision file formats

Dolby Vision is supported for all popular file formats (BDMV, BD ISO, MKV, MP4, TS, M2TS). All popular Dolby Vision profiles (P4, P5, P7 MEL and FEL, P8) are supported. The media player supports the largest number of variations of Dolby Vision file formats of any other media player.
Pretty sure there's no difference between all the other existing Realtek 1619DR based products out there. Dune has done this in the past in that when they mention "FEL support", they don't actually mean they utilize data from the FEL. It just means that the device can safely ignore the FEL, apply the DV RPU data directly onto the BL, and playback FEL content without issue (just like the Shield, Zidoo Z9X, and couple other Dune players). There's likely a hardware limitation to the Realtek SOCs that prevents full FEL support.
What you are saying is can be true. Full FEL support comes from the hardware side. It can't be just implemented on a software level per docs from Dolby Labs. We need to review it and compare it side-by-side with famous FEL DV screens to make sure it does utilize the a stream for proper DV FEL playback.
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jayper wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 3:58 am
I believe that FF/RW is not possible on m2ts files over a certain length on the x700...

The only workaround is to use TSmuxer to create a Blu-Ray folder output using the mpls of the main film and place those folders created by TSmuxer in the root of the USB drive...
Very cool, thank you!
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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shawnc22 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 3:31 pm
daddy wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:43 am
Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k
Pretty sure there's no difference between all the other existing Realtek 1619DR based products out there. Dune has done this in the past in that when they mention "FEL support", they don't actually mean they utilize data from the FEL. It just means that the device can safely ignore the FEL, apply the DV RPU data directly onto the BL, and playback FEL content without issue (just like the Shield, Zidoo Z9X, and couple other Dune players). There's likely a hardware limitation to the Realtek SOCs that prevents full FEL support.
Seems like perhaps Dune has augmented the RTD1619DR with other processing "unique to Dune HD media players", if their marketing hype is to be believed (which, you're indicating, it is not)?
Dolby Vision VS10 video processor

The advanced Dolby Vision VS10 video processing engine ensures maximum image quality when playing any type of content (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision) with any type of video output signal (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision), improves the SDR/HDR/Dolby Vision conversion quality, minimizes the effect of "posterization" ("banding") due to more advanced 12-bit video processing. This gives benefits even when using the media player with older TVs that do not support Dolby Vision.

...

Dune HD Dolby Vision Purifier

This technology, unique to Dune HD media players, optimizes Dolby Vision files on the fly for maximum compatibility with the Realtek RTD1619DR media processor. This helps to ensure the most stable playback, including incorrectly encoded files (which often cause freezes, stuttering, sound out of sync on other media players).
I'm game to order one, just trying to decide amongst the Real Vision, Pro Vision, Max Vision, Ultra Vision models and considering my use cases...
shawnc22
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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mulucy wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 4:46 pm
What you are saying is can be true. Full FEL support comes from the hardware side. It can't be just implemented on a software level per docs from Dolby Labs. We need to review it and compare it side-by-side with famous FEL DV screens to make sure it does utilize the a stream for proper DV FEL playback.
nekno wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 7:59 pm
shawnc22 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 3:31 pm
daddy wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:43 am
Is there someone who tryed the new Dune HD Real Vision 4K ? https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k
Pretty sure there's no difference between all the other existing Realtek 1619DR based products out there. Dune has done this in the past in that when they mention "FEL support", they don't actually mean they utilize data from the FEL. It just means that the device can safely ignore the FEL, apply the DV RPU data directly onto the BL, and playback FEL content without issue (just like the Shield, Zidoo Z9X, and couple other Dune players). There's likely a hardware limitation to the Realtek SOCs that prevents full FEL support.
Seems like perhaps Dune has augmented the RTD1619DR with other processing "unique to Dune HD media players", if their marketing hype is to be believed (which, you're indicating, it is not)?
Dolby Vision VS10 video processor

The advanced Dolby Vision VS10 video processing engine ensures maximum image quality when playing any type of content (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision) with any type of video output signal (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision), improves the SDR/HDR/Dolby Vision conversion quality, minimizes the effect of "posterization" ("banding") due to more advanced 12-bit video processing. This gives benefits even when using the media player with older TVs that do not support Dolby Vision.

...

Dune HD Dolby Vision Purifier

This technology, unique to Dune HD media players, optimizes Dolby Vision files on the fly for maximum compatibility with the Realtek RTD1619DR media processor. This helps to ensure the most stable playback, including incorrectly encoded files (which often cause freezes, stuttering, sound out of sync on other media players).
I'm game to order one, just trying to decide amongst the Real Vision, Pro Vision, Max Vision, Ultra Vision models and considering my use cases...
The questions and comparisons that you guys are asking for have all been done here:

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/dune-p ... f.3188469/
nekno
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by nekno »

shawnc22 wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 9:23 pm
The questions and comparisons that you guys are asking for have all been done here:

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/dune-p ... f.3188469/
Thanks, you're right. I just found that post and was reading it as you were posting it here.

So, never mind. Seems like testing of the Pro Vision at AVSForum (same chipset as the Real Vision, with 4GB instead of 2GB of RAM) shows the same problems with the VS10 as the Zidoo boxes and no FEL support, meaning it will apply the RPU, but doesn't render the video from the EL to achieve full 12-bit DV.
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