Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

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Lehmeier
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Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by Lehmeier » Sat Apr 19, 2025 1:39 pm

Hallo!
Ich teste gerade Makemkv 1.18.1 und spiele, das Ergebnis, dann mit VLC ab.
Aber anscheinend gibt es Probleme beim erstellen der Dateien.
Der erste Film den ich nahm war "Black Adam".
In ihm gibt es Passagen wo eine Fantasiesprache verwendet wird und die Übersetzungen als Untertitel eingeblendet sind.
Diese Übersetzungen gibt es bei der makemkv Version nicht, genauso wie Menüs am Anfang.
Wenn ich im VLC Untertitel einstelle, dann habe ich sie den ganzen Film über und nicht nur in diesen Passagen.
Als Vergleich spielte ich die UHD auf einem Panasonicplayer ab.

Vielen Dank im voraus.

MfG R.Lehmeier

dcoke22
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by dcoke22 » Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:03 pm

If my translation is correct, what you're talking about is called Forced Subtitles. There are several threads on this topic worth reading.

Subtitles for Dummies, or At Least Newbies
Again, selection of languages?
How do you make Subtitles selectable during playback?

I have only ripped the English tracks on my copy of Black Adam, but I have two subtitle tracks. The normal one and the one that just contains the forced subtitles.

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Text #1
ID                                       : 5
ID in the original source medium         : 4608 (0x1200)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate                                 : 36.3 kb/s
Frame rate                               : 0.510 FPS
Count of elements                        : 3565
Stream size                              : 30.3 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : SDH Subtitles
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Text #2
ID                                       : 7
ID in the original source medium         : 4612 (0x1204)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Duration                                 : 1 h 42 min
Bit rate                                 : 1 424 b/s
Frame rate                               : 0.026 FPS
Count of elements                        : 162
Stream size                              : 1.05 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : Forced Subtitles
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : Yes
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

Coopervid
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by Coopervid » Sat Apr 19, 2025 8:35 pm

Lehmeier wrote:
Sat Apr 19, 2025 1:39 pm
Hallo!
Ich teste gerade Makemkv 1.18.1 und spiele, das Ergebnis, dann mit VLC ab.
Aber anscheinend gibt es Probleme beim erstellen der Dateien.
Der erste Film den ich nahm war "Black Adam".
In ihm gibt es Passagen wo eine Fantasiesprache verwendet wird und die Übersetzungen als Untertitel eingeblendet sind.
Diese Übersetzungen gibt es bei der makemkv Version nicht, genauso wie Menüs am Anfang.
Wenn ich im VLC Untertitel einstelle, dann habe ich sie den ganzen Film über und nicht nur in diesen Passagen.
Als Vergleich spielte ich die UHD auf einem Panasonicplayer ab.

Vielen Dank im voraus.

MfG R.Lehmeier
English only please.

Lehmeier
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by Lehmeier » Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:35 pm

Danke für die Links, ich werde sie durcharbeiten.
Dann bleibt nur noch die Frage, warum ich am Anfang des Films keine Menüs habe. Liegt es an folgendem Log-Eintrag :


Thanks for the links, I will work through them.
Then the only question that remains is why I don't have any menus at the beginning of the movie. Is it because of the following log entry :

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MakeMKV v1.18.1 linux(x64-release) started
Using LibreDrive mode (v01.0 id=F1ED73020654)
Direct access mode is used
Content hash table loaded, check integrity of M2TS files.
Using Java runtime from /app/jre/bin/java
Title #00000.mpls has a length of 15 seconds and was skipped because the minimum title length is 120 seconds
Title #00005.mpls has a length of 9 seconds and was skipped because the minimum title length is 120 seconds
Title #00006.mpls has a length of 9 seconds and has been skipped because the minimum title length is 120 seconds
Title #00007.mpls has a length of 17 seconds and has been skipped because the minimum title length is 120 seconds
Title #00008.mpls has a length of 23 seconds and was skipped because the minimum title length is 120 seconds
File 00009.mpls was added as track 0 
Track #00010.mpls has a length of 31 seconds and has been skipped as the minimum track length is 120 seconds
Title #00011.mpls has a length of 51 seconds and has been skipped as the minimum title length is 120 seconds
Title #00013.mpls has a length of 6 seconds and was skipped because the minimum title length is 120 seconds
Title #00017.mpls has a length of 7 seconds and was skipped because

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Lehmeier
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by Lehmeier » Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:16 pm

I have now figured out how to select subtitles and foreign languages, but I still don't have a start menu and my file order is arbitrary.

When I select the folder in VLC, it starts with the first file in it and that is the credits for the test bluray “Black Adam”.

How can I get the files to be saved in such a way that, when the folder is called up, the movie starts as if it were a DVD/Bluray/UHD in the player?

When I make a backup, I first have to rummage through the folders until I find the corresponding files with which the movie starts.
It should preferably be a file that contains all the data and is handled as if it were a DVD/Bluray/UHD. So that it is also easy to use for others.
At the moment I have 38 files with an unclear sorting. - which doesn't make things any easier.



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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by ryley » Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:27 pm

Lehmeier wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:16 pm
I have now figured out how to select subtitles and foreign languages, but I still don't have a start menu and my file order is arbitrary.

When I select the folder in VLC, it starts with the first file in it and that is the credits for the test bluray “Black Adam”.

How can I get the files to be saved in such a way that, when the folder is called up, the movie starts as if it were a DVD/Bluray/UHD in the player?
MKV files do not support Blu-ray style menus. The MKV files you produced with MakeMKV are media files with no interactive functionality.

If you would like to retain the menus of your disc, you can instead use MakeMKV to create a decrypted backup of your disc. This will create a folder structure which VLC can play with the original menus.

Lehmeier
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by Lehmeier » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:04 pm

This is a pity, because I have no menu structure even with a backup and the VLC player does not start the movie even if I select the folder containing the folders BDMV, CERTIFICATE and Makemkv, for example.

Otherwise a backup would be exactly what I wanted, a folder that can be played with any player and contains everything that the DVD, Bluray, UHD contains.

SamuriHL
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by SamuriHL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:24 pm

JRiver MC has the ability to play a folder backup with full menus.

Lehmeier
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Re: Warum habe ich keine Menüs und Untertitel?

Post by Lehmeier » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:16 pm

Sorry, but I can't get the .mkv's to play.

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