Ripped UHD: can my 9.2 channel receiver play these "immersive audio experience tracks" faithfully?

[HTPC_Guy]

Ripped UHD: can my 9.2 channel receiver play these "immersive audio experience tracks" faithfully?
Yes, my receiver had these formats.

These are two examples of the audio properties shown for two different MKV files

Obviously these have
If so, can you give any details on a 9.2 receiver utilizes them?

Video: HVC1 3840x2160 23.976fps [V: English [eng] (hevc main 10 L5.1, yuv420p10le, 3840x2160)]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz 8ch 9216kbps [A: Surround 7.1 [eng] (dts-hd ma + dts:x, 48000 Hz, 7.1) [default]]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz 6ch 1536kbps [A: Surround 5.1 [eng] (dts, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), 1536 kb/s)]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz stereo 2304kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (dts-hd ma, 48000 Hz, stereo, s24)]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz stereo 1536kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (dts, 48000 Hz, stereo, 1536 kb/s)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 640kbps [A: Surround 5.1 [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), 640 kb/s)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 224kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s)]
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Video: HVC1 3840x2160 23.976fps [V: English [eng] (hevc main 10 L5.1, yuv420p10le, 3840x2160)]
Audio: TrueHD 48000Hz 8ch 9216kbps [A: Surround 7.1 [eng] (truehd atmos, 48000 Hz, 7.1, s24) [default]]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 640kbps [A: Surround 5.1 [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), 640 kb/s)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 224kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s)]
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I guess obviously they are both have ATMOS audio tracks.
But can I play these on my 9.2 receiver and get ATMOS audio?

(Maybe I'll have a follow-up question later.)
Thanks.

[Billycar11]

Ripped UHD: any audio tracks ATMOS?


These are two examples of the audio properties shown for two different MKV files

Are any of these files ATMOS?
If so, can you give any details on a 9.2 receiver utilizes them?

Video: HVC1 3840x2160 23.976fps [V: English [eng] (hevc main 10 L5.1, yuv420p10le, 3840x2160)]
Audio: TrueHD 48000Hz 8ch 9216kbps [A: Surround 7.1 [eng] (truehd atmos, 48000 Hz, 7.1, s24) [default]]

Thanks.

that one is atmos is in a truehd container

[MartyMcNuts]

Ripped UHD: can my 9.2 channel receiver play these "immersive audio experience tracks" faithfully?
Yes, my receiver had these formats.

These are two examples of the audio properties shown for two different MKV files

Obviously these have
If so, can you give any details on a 9.2 receiver utilizes them?

Video: HVC1 3840x2160 23.976fps [V: English [eng] (hevc main 10 L5.1, yuv420p10le, 3840x2160)]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz 8ch 9216kbps [A: Surround 7.1 [eng] (dts-hd ma + dts:x, 48000 Hz, 7.1) [default]]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz 6ch 1536kbps [A: Surround 5.1 [eng] (dts, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), 1536 kb/s)]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz stereo 2304kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (dts-hd ma, 48000 Hz, stereo, s24)]
Audio: DTS 48000Hz stereo 1536kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (dts, 48000 Hz, stereo, 1536 kb/s)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 640kbps [A: Surround 5.1 [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), 640 kb/s)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 224kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s)]
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Video: HVC1 3840x2160 23.976fps [V: English [eng] (hevc main 10 L5.1, yuv420p10le, 3840x2160)]
Audio: TrueHD 48000Hz 8ch 9216kbps [A: Surround 7.1 [eng] (truehd atmos, 48000 Hz, 7.1, s24) [default]]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 640kbps [A: Surround 5.1 [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), 640 kb/s)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 224kbps [A: Stereo [eng] (ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s)]
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I guess obviously they are both have ATMOS audio tracks.
But can I play these on my 9.2 receiver and get ATMOS audio?

(Maybe I'll have a follow-up question later.)
Thanks.

OK, the above tracks in red have multichannel metadata. The first is DTS:X and the other one is ATMOS.

You can only utilize the DTS:X/ATMOS metadata if your receiver is ATMOS capable. What make/model is it? My Yamaha receiver is setup as 7.2.2, thus I have Front Left, Front Right, Center, Side Left, Side Right, Rear Left, Rear Right, 2 x subwoofers and 2 upwards firing ATMOS speakers.

[HTPC_Guy]

Yes, my Onkyo TX-NR7100 is DTS:X/ATMOS capable.

I'm think I found the answer I was looking for as far as my 9.2 channel receiver is concerned:

My current understanding is, if I configure my system to 5.1.4, any "immersive audio experience tracks," like ATMOS and DTS:X, I play will automatically be routed to the appropriate speakers. If not then I will have to set up with 7.1.2.

So this only leaves one question: does a MakeMKV rip keep all the information in these "immersive audio experience tracks" like ATMOS and DTS:X intact?

When a 4K UHD MKV file is played, it does play in HDR. Very nice.

But will it play with ATMOS or DTS:X?

So tell me, tell us, what is your experience?

Thanks, again.

[MartyMcNuts]

Yes, my Onkyo TX-NR7100 is DTS:X/ATMOS capable.

I'm think I found the answer I was looking for as far as my 9.2 channel receiver is concerned:

My current understanding is, if I configure my system to 5.1.4, any "immersive audio experience tracks," like ATMOS and DTS:X, I play will automatically be routed to the appropriate speakers. If not then I will have to set up with 7.1.2.

So this only leaves one question: does a MakeMKV rip keep all the information in these "immersive audio experience tracks" like ATMOS and DTS:X intact?

When a 4K UHD MKV file is played, it does play in HDR. Very nice.

But will it play with ATMOS or DTS:X?

So tell me, tell us, what is your experience?

Thanks, again.

Yes, MakeMKV keeps all selected tracks intact. They are just copied (unmodified) into a MKV container.

Do you have 4 atmos speakers? Personally, I am happy with 2 atmos speakers as I like having the side and rear surround speakers. I could have 5.2.2 but then I'd lose out a pair of surrounds. Either way, if you have set it up with atmos speakers connected, then yes, ATMOS will play if the mkv file contains it and your player is passing the ATMOS through to the receiver.

[Billycar11]

long as you players are set to bit stream the audio and not decode it
most players out of the box want to decode it so you dont want that yuo may have some settings to change and some research to do it usually does not just work even if every thing supports it

[HTPC_Guy]

Yes, my Onkyo TX-NR7100 is DTS:X/ATMOS capable.

I'm think I found the answer I was looking for as far as my 9.2 channel receiver is concerned:
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But will it play with ATMOS or DTS:X?

So tell me, tell us, what is your experience?

Thanks, again.

Yes, MakeMKV keeps all selected tracks intact. They are just copied (unmodified) into a MKV container.
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Okay. Little by little...

Yes, I have 4 ATMOS speakers. I have a Klipsch 9.0 Reference Premiere speaker setup. No subwoofer. Thinking about getting one. But another time...

My ATMOS speakers are 4 x RP-500SA. They have a manual switch on the back to flip to either ATMOS or surround depending...

Both of the examples are 7.1., that is, 8 channels. I understand the ATMOS metadata is embedded in these 8 channels.
You have a 9.2 channel receiver. So your receiver 7.2.2 format gives you 7.2 surround + 2 up-firing ATMOS channels?
What I am wondering is if I select a 7.1 emmersive format audio track and have my receiver ATMOS format 5.1.4,
am I going to hear 5.1 surround and 4 ATMOS channels? That is, is there actually 4 embedded ATMOS channels in a 7.1 emmersive audio track? How many ATMOS channels can or does an ATMOS audio channel contain? It all seems a little nebulous...

...until you read this article. You will be glad you did.

https://www.audioholics.com/audio-techn ... -practices

Here's the best quote:

"As for the number and configuration of speakers, a 7.1.4 layout is the gold standard that enthusiasts should shoot for whenever possible. That’s not to say that it’s the best configuration for everyone. If your room’s front-to-back length is on the short side, you may only be able to accommodate a 5.1.4 system."

After reading this my understanding seems to be confirmed that a 5.1.4 receiver setup is clearly best because it gives you height front to back. Guess I'll be switching all four RP-500SA speakers to ATMOS.

And it seems my understanding was right that the ATMOS will be detected by the receiver and the channels distributed accordingly. That is, my 4 height ATMOS speakers will be detected and 4 height channels front to back / left to right will be utilized. I'll find out and let you know.

Additionally, according to this expert article, all the speakers in an ATMOS audio track are potentially used for audio objects. So with ATMOS you are not just getting 5.1 or 7.1 surround with 2 or 4 heights thrown in, all your speakers are potentially audio object oriented. It all depends on the ATMOS renderer/engineer that does the ATMOS mix. This article reveals much about ATMOS that I couldn't find elsewhere.

I just got the receiver and I am in the process of hooking up the speakers. Banana clips coming tomorrow. So give me some time. Probably a couple of weeks before I get a handle on things.

My finances took a hit so couldn't afford a Marantz R7015 receiver this time. But when I can, I will upgrade to a 7.1.4 system.

Thanks.
HTPC_Guy

[HTPC_Guy]

long as you players are set to bit stream the audio and not decode it
most players out of the box want to decode it so you dont want that yuo may have some settings to change and some research to do it usually does not just work even if every thing supports it

My player is:
Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, K-Lite Codec Pack\MPC-HC64

https://codecguide.com/about_kl.htm

It plays MKV 4k UHD in HDR. Very nice.

When I get my new ATMOS receiver set up I will check out an MKV with ATMOS audio track and let you know.

There is a new MPC-HC update I need to download.

[MartyMcNuts]

long as you players are set to bit stream the audio and not decode it
most players out of the box want to decode it so you dont want that yuo may have some settings to change and some research to do it usually does not just work even if every thing supports it

My player is:
Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, K-Lite Codec Pack\MPC-HC64

https://codecguide.com/about_kl.htm

It plays MKV 4k UHD in HDR. Very nice.

When I get my new ATMOS receiver set up I will check out an MKV with ATMOS audio track and let you know.

There is a new MPC-HC update I need to download.

I agree with those comments. Atmos isn't channel based per se, it's immersive sound and it's distributed which ever way it is mixed. If you have 4 Atmos speakers then you will get Atmos audio through all of them.

Thus, when playing a MKV file that contains a 7.1 (Atmos) track, that really means it is a 7.1 track for those who don't have an Atmos system and a 7.1 plus Atmos immersive audio track for those who do have an Atmos system.

Essentially, if your system can play Atmos, then the Atmos metadata in the audio track will be utilised and distributed to all of your speakers.

I suggest you download a couple of the Atmos test sample files to get a better idea of how it will sound.

[HTPC_Guy]

long as you players are set to bit stream the audio and not decode it
most players out of the box want to decode it so you dont want that yuo may have some settings to change and some research to do it usually does not just work even if every thing supports it

My player is:
Media Player Classic - Home Cinema, K-Lite Codec Pack\MPC-HC64

https://codecguide.com/about_kl.htm

It plays MKV 4k UHD in HDR. Very nice.

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I suggest you download a couple of the Atmos test sample files to get a better idea of how it will sound.

First of all, maybe I owe all of you an apology. It seems that my speakers have not been properly equalized. I will use "Dirac Live" and/or "AccuEQ Room Calibration" momentarily. Both available with Onkyo TX-NR7100.

But here is some good news. I found this legitimate website where you can download MKV ATMOS test files:

Dolby Atmos Demo Trailers | Test Tones 5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2 and 7.1.4

https://www.demolandia.net/cinema/dolby ... ge-10.html

This website is a must resource.

After I properly equalize I will get back.

Sorry about that..

[HTPC_Guy]

I just couldn't be happier with my Home Theater. Christmas came early. I just got a new Onkyo TX-NR7100 9.2 channel receiver. I unboxed my unopened 2 year old Klipsch Reference Premiere 9.0 new speakers for the first time. And I just finished using Dirac to calibrate my receiver to 5.0.4 format. Dirac is one great HT ATMOS speaker calibration setup program. (getting a subwoofer for Christmas)

Here is something I learned that has really put my HT over the top. I have an LG OLED 65" C1 television. I connect my tv from its HDMI ARC output to my receiver. My Windows 10 Home desktop computer has a NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 graphic card. I connect the computer from its graphics card HDMI output to my television.

I had one major issue with my graphics card: the best I could get was 4.2.0 chroma, 10 bpc. Now consider this: I finally found out how to get 4:4:4 chroma, 10 bpc.

Here is what I really think made the biggest difference - Deep Color:
In the LG television go to All Settings
select General
select Devices
select HDMI Settings
select HDMI Deep Color
Select 4K

I went to the NVidia control panel to check it out:
Display
Change resolution
4k x 2k, 3840 x 2160 (native) left this the same/did not touch
Refresh rate 60Hz left this the same/did not touch
NVidia color settings
Use NVidia color settings
Highest (32-bit)
Output color depth 10 bpc
YCbCr444
Limited
It had read YCbCr420

I really don't know entirely what I'm doing from here, so maybe someone can give suggestions.

Adjust Video Color Settings
selected NVidia settings and left at default except for some reason
Hue: was at +179 so I changed it to +180

Adjust Video Image Settings:
NVidia Edge enhancement left at 0% (default)
NVidia Noise reduction left at 0% (default)
Deinterlacing kept at Use inverse telecine (default)
But here is a change: RTX video enhancement:
checked Super resolution with
Quality set at 2.

HDR movies never looked better. The picture just pops!


Top 10 Dolby Atmos Movies to Watch
https://www.audioadvice.com/videos-revi ... gKscvD_BwE

20 of the best Dolby Atmos movies to watch in your home theater
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-thea ... os-movies/

[HTPC_Guy]

Here's a suggestion: I had my Windows 10 PC GeForce RTX-3060 graphics card HDMI port connected to my LG OLED65"C1 HDMI eARC television port. There is nothing more up to date and feature rich than my new NR7100. Now, I connect my PC directly into the receiver: HDMI IN - 5(PC). And I connect the tv HDMI eARC into the receiver: 8K MAIN HDMI. Play MKV movies from a PC with ATMOS or DTS audio? No problem: any and all available audio tracks complete, pure, and unadulterated. To do so, simply select PC on the ONKYO remote control then select from your tv remote control whichever HDMI port you are using to connect to the receiver.

I have a problem that I am trying to solve the simplest way possible that I can think of: I selected the Dirac calibration filter I installed in slot 1 in my NR7100 from Room EQ. I did not have a subwoofer when I made the 5.0.4 calibration. Now I have one. The problem is when I now play an MKV movie with slot 1 running, no bass is output from the subwoofer because no subwoofer was used making the original calibration filter. Is there any way to add a subwoofer to this existing filter making it 5.1.4? If not, I have a bigger problem.

Thanks.

I use:
Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) Full version
https://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm