Is there a reason some 4Ks don't load menus on VLC?

[jbrip]

I don't know where the issue lies. I use makemkv latest version (1.18.2) and VLC x64 latest version (3.0.20 Vetinari). Makemkv integration is checked for VLC. I have the latest Java with the old versions JRE 8 and JavaSE 12.

The issue is menus do not play for 4K UHDs. They work in some 4K discs and some blu-ray discs. Its random what it plays and does not play.

For example, "Communion" 1989 bluray disc does not play MENUs. And its a blu-ray.

Secondly, the movie "The Descent" 2005 4K UHD disc does not play MENUs nor does John Carpenters "The Thing" 4k UHD play the MENUs at all.

However majority of blurays and other 4K UHDs play MENUs just fine.

Does anyone know why this is? I tried uninstalling Makemkv and VLC simultaneously and reinstalling them without any hope or answers. Even researching on google and on this forum. Can anyone help with this? Is this error makemkvs or VLCs ?

Errors on these show:

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"Blu-ray error:
Playback with BluRay menus failed"

"Blu-ray error:
Failed to start bluray playback. Please try without menu support.
Your input can't be opened:
VLC is unable to open the MRL 'bluray:///E:/'. Check the log for details."

This is driving me insane!!!

[MartyMcNuts]

I don't know where the issue lies. I use makemkv latest version (1.18.2) and VLC x64 latest version (3.0.20 Vetinari). Makemkv integration is checked for VLC. I have the latest Java with the old versions JRE 8 and JavaSE 12.

The issue is menus do not play for 4K UHDs. They work in some 4K discs and some blu-ray discs. Its random what it plays and does not play.

For example, "Communion" 1989 bluray disc does not play MENUs. And its a blu-ray.

Secondly, the movie "The Descent" 2005 4K UHD disc does not play MENUs nor does John Carpenters "The Thing" 4k UHD play the MENUs at all.

However majority of blurays and other 4K UHDs play MENUs just fine.

Does anyone know why this is? I tried uninstalling Makemkv and VLC simultaneously and reinstalling them without any hope or answers. Even researching on google and on this forum. Can anyone help with this? Is this error makemkvs or VLCs ?

Errors on these show:

Code: Select all

"Blu-ray error:
Playback with BluRay menus failed"

"Blu-ray error:
Failed to start bluray playback. Please try without menu support.
Your input can't be opened:
VLC is unable to open the MRL 'bluray:///E:/'. Check the log for details."

This is driving me insane!!!

I think some menu's are simply more complex and can't be loaded.

[jbrip]

Guys theres got to be someone that knows what to do?

So am I stuck for those 4K and Blurays to just ignore? I need to be able to play it on VLC or some program so I know what to re-name the files and extras on the movie. The main movie will be easy to name since its the largest file. But for the extra features and detailed commentary. I won't know what to name them. They''ll just be left un-named with their default "so and so_t01.mkv" since I can't view it on a player (which I thought VLC would take care of) failed.

Should I take this issue to VLC or whats going on ? I get that the menu thing may be complex for some movies. Is there a fix or way around this at all? I'm thinking of wiping out my computer and reinstalling windows because I know there has to be a glitch some where but I can't figure it out. Surely there has to be someone out here that has the same issue? Anyone got John Carpenters The Thing 4K or the Descent movie in 4K that just doesn't load the menus? How am I suppose to name them? I do not own a 4K player that being costly at 200-600 dollars. I just have a pioneer that I got from billycar. The only way around this would be to buy a 4K player at $200-600 which I don't have right now. This is driving me nuts. I never thought menus would not budge when backing up 4k bluray movie and freely being able to organize them. Ughhh!

[MartyMcNuts]

Guys theres got to be someone that knows what to do?

So am I stuck for those 4K and Blurays to just ignore? I need to be able to play it on VLC or some program so I know what to re-name the files and extras on the movie. The main movie will be easy to name since its the largest file. But for the extra features and detailed commentary. I won't know what to name them. They''ll just be left un-named with their default "so and so_t01.mkv" since I can't view it on a player (which I thought VLC would take care of) failed.

Should I take this issue to VLC or whats going on ? I get that the menu thing may be complex for some movies. Is there a fix or way around this at all? I'm thinking of wiping out my computer and reinstalling windows because I know there has to be a glitch some where but I can't figure it out. Surely there has to be someone out here that has the same issue? Anyone got John Carpenters The Thing 4K or the Descent movie in 4K that just doesn't load the menus? How am I suppose to name them? I do not own a 4K player that being costly at 200-600 dollars. I just have a pioneer that I got from billycar. The only way around this would be to buy a 4K player at $200-600 which I don't have right now. This is driving me nuts. I never thought menus would not budge when backing up 4k bluray movie and freely being able to organize them. Ughhh!

No there is not a fix. Not all menu's can be played. Try using something else like plex or jriver.

Why do you need menu's? Just play the files themselves then you will know what each of them are.

[Ezatoka]

Personally, on Windows, BluRay/UHD menus usually only work at all for me if I use Java 8 (or having the path to it set in the JAVA_HOME variable).

[jbrip]

I just clean swiped my Windows PC. For some odd reason, I kept uninstalling VLC, JAVA and MakeMKV and no matter how much I removed and restarted my PC to make VLC load UHD menus. Nothing worked! I suspected something was off and I got annoyed (as you see my previous post lol). I decided to take the day to wipe my PC. I installed all the needed apps and now miraculously VLC plays UHDs with menus.I do not know what caused this issue. But now things work.

[thinredline]

I decided to take the day to wipe my PC.

What do you mean by that? Did you do a format?
I have 180 UHDs and I just encountered my first UHD menu that doesn't play with VLC. I get to the menu screen, but no menu or buttons or anything.

I'm quite annoyed.
Does anyone know if this disc has a known issue with it menu playback on pcs?
I see I have the latest java installed.
I can have access to the special features manually in MPC by playing each playlist, but I wanted to be able to have access to the menu too..

By the way, makemkv doesn't have access to the deleted scenes:


Same with Leawo, doesn't show the deleted scenes in the playlist:


But I can have access to them by manually playing the appropriate playlist in MPC.

[jbrip]

I have no idea what causes menu's to not play in VLC. A clean slate (re-installed windows) fixed the issue for me. Doesn't seem the community has much help in this scenario. I'm guessing its a Windows issue rather than makemkv. However, I have a suspicion that maybe the corruption with loading menus is probably from upgrading and downgrading makemkv and or vlc vice-versa. Possibly upgrading both apps will mess up where java is located(?) in windows and thus creates a world of trouble. Hope more devs would look into what causes menus to not load on both blurays and 4K movies within VLC. And if there is a quick solution rather than to have to resort to clean installing windows again. Again, I tried to uninstall java many times in windows 11 and it would not uninstall and vlc, makemkv had a weird glitch/ bug where VLC would not play menus. Its extremely annoying!

Also I noticed I had the newest version of java which I tried to remove which it did not remove on my windows. This is why I just clean slated my PC. And I made sure to only install java 8 update 471 (jre8) and made sure it is a 64bit version with that and VLC. Since 32bits exists on the internet and could cause issues(?)

[thinredline]

Thanks for the reply.
Well, I thought to try a laptop I have too.
I unplugged the BD drive from the pc and plugged it into the laptop.
Same thing.
So, I'm not sure if it's windows related, at least in my case.

[jbrip]

Yeah, I don't have that movie, "Little Women" to test it on mines. But, I did have 4K blurays that wouldn't load menus in VLC that now work flawlessly after clean installing my Windows PC. Also, I don't use MPC so can't comment on that. I did try powerDVD (a third party bluray windows player) since VLC failed to play the menus. And it worked on powerdvd. But not VLC. It was a huge mess. Glad all works now. If you have a second computer you can try it on. That would test your movie in question. I would try that.

Also that post you made has leawo blu-ray ripper. Mike just made a post about it being a scam:

viewtopic.php?f=5&p=5790#p5790

[thinredline]

Also that post you made has leawo blu-ray ripper.

Sorry? That's Leawo player I have, not Leawo blu-ray ripper.

By the way:
Do you by any chance remember any of your 4ks that didn't play the menu in VLC? *
Maybe I have some of them, and could check again in my pc (although I'm sure I have checked every 4k I have, except some that I just got that they're still sealed, and they play fine)
Also, when you say some failed to play the menu, what exactly did they do?
Because, as I said previously, mine got to the menu screen, it just hadn't any buttons. It was just the screenshot from the movie.
Did any of yours do that?

* Here's my complete list of 4ks. Do you possibly have any of these?

1932 - Old Dark House, The
1940 - His Girl Friday
1941 - Maltese Falcon, The
1942 - Casablanca
1942 - Talk of the town, The
1951 - African Queen, The
1952 - Singin' in the Rain
1953 - Big Heat, The
1954 - On the Watefront
1954 - White Christmas
1956 - The Ten Commandments
1957 - 12 Angry Men
1957 - Bridge on the River Kwai, The
1957 - Paths of Glory
1959 - Some like it hot
1960 - Apartment, The
1960 - Spartacus
1962 - Dr. No
1962 - Lawrence of Arabia
1963 - From Russia with Love
1963 - Great Escape, The
1964 - Goldfinger
1964 - Umbrellas of Cherbourg, The
1965 - Thunderball
1966 - Man for All Seasons, A
1967 - Guess who's coming to dinner
1967 - You Only Live Twice
1968 - 2001: A Space Odyssey
1968 - Funny Girl
1968 - Lion in Winter, The
1968 - Oliver!
1971 - Diamonds are Forever
1973 - Three Musketeers, The
1974 - Black Christmas
1974 - Chinatown
1974 - Four Musketeers, The
1974 - Taking of Pelham One Two Three, The
1975 - Barry Lyndon
1976 - Rocky
1978 - Days of Heaven
1978 - Invasion of the Body Snatchers
1978 - Jaws 2
1978 - Watership Down
1978 - Wiz, The
1979 - Amityville Horror, The
1979 - Apocalypse Now
1979 - Rocky II
1979 - Star Trek: The Motion Picture
1980 - Changeling, The
1980 - Cruising
1980 - Flash Gordon
1980 - Fog, The
1980 - Long Good Friday, The
1980 - Shining, The
1981 - Escape from New York
1981 - Mad Max: The Road Warrior
1981 - Thief
1982 - Cat People
1982 - Conan the Barbarian
1982 - Gandhi
1982 - Poltergeist
1982 - Rocky III
1982 - Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan
1982 - Tootsie
1983 - Risky Business
1983 - Scarface
1983 - Wargames
1984 - Amadeus
1984 - Conan the Destroyer
1984 - Dune
1984 - Karate Kid, The
1984 - Last Starfighter, The
1984 - Neverending Story, The
1984 - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
1984 - Starman
1985 - Fright Night
1985 - Goonies, The
1985 - Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome
1985 - Rocky IV
1985 - Witness
1986 - Cobra
1986 - Highlander
1986 - Hitcher, The
1986 - Jean de Florette
1986 - Karate Kid, Part II, The
1986 - Labyrinth
1986 - Manon of the Spring
1986 - Stand By Me
1986 - Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
1986 - Top Gun
1986 - Transformers: the movie, The
1987 - Dirty Dancing
1987 - Last Emperor, The
1987 - Lost Boys, The
1987 - Predator
1987 - Robocop
1987 - Running Man, The
1988 - Adventures of Baron Munchausen, The
1988 - Blob, The
1988 - Bloodsport
1988 - Child's Play
1988 - Pumpkinhead
1988 - Rain Man
1988 - Scrooged
1988 - Who framed Roger Rabbit
1989 - Born on the Fourth of July
1989 - Glory
1989 - Karate Kid, Part III, The
1989 - Kickboxer
1989 - Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
1990 - Ghost
1990 - Misery
1990 - Robocop 2
1990 - Rocky V
1990 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
1991 - Backdraft
1991 - Hook
1991 - JFK
1991 - Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
1991 - Silence of the Lambs, The
1991 - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
1991 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze
1991 - Thelma & Louise
1992 - Basic Instinct
1992 - Bram Stoker's Dracula
1992 - Far and Away
1992 - League of their own, A
1992 - Lover, The AKA L'amant
1992 - Scent of a Woman
1993 - Age of Innocence, The
1993 - Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
1993 - Demolition Man
1993 - Farewell my Concubine
1993 - Fugitive, The
1993 - Groundhog Day
1993 - Hard Target
1993 - Last Action hero
1993 - Piano, The
1993 - Rudy
1993 - Schindler's List
1993 - Sliver
1993 - Super Mario Bros.
1993 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
1993 - Three Colours Trilogy: Bleu
1993 - Tombstone
1994 - Crow, The
1994 - In the Mouth of Madness
1994 - Legends of the Fall
1994 - Little Women
1994 - Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
1994 - Mask, The
1994 - Nobody's Fool
1994 - Speed
1994 - Three Colours Trilogy: Blanc
1994 - Three Colours Trilogy: Rouge
1995 - 12 Monkeys
1995 - Braveheart
1995 - Cutthroat Island
1997 - Breakdown
1997 - Event Horizon
1997 - Face-Off
1997 - Fifth Element, The
1997 - Gattaca
1997 - My Best Friend's Wedding
1998 - Dark City
1998 - Elizabeth
1998 - Mask of Zorro, The
1998 - Prince of Egypt, The
1998 - Saving Private Ryan
1998 - Truman Show, The
1999 - Eyes Wide Shut
1999 - Mummy, The
1999 - Sixth Sense, The
2000 - Gladiator
2001 - Black Hawk down
2001 - Hannibal
2001 - Others, The
2005 - Brokeback Mountain
2006 - Rocky Balboa
2017 - Call Me By Your Name

[jbrip]

Yes, I have some of the ones you listed. They play fine in VLC.

[thinredline]

I see. By the way, I started to do a full backup with makemkv and it failed after a while.
Unfortunately I closed the software, and didn't keep any log to post here.
Maybe the release itself is problematic eventually, I don't know..