Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Manixx2020beyound
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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For those using resolve 18.1 update can now decode profile 5 clips on the time line.
https://professionalsupport.dolby.com/s ... ntent_type
L11 metadata specs
sw5163
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Hi guys, I read something about the new Apple TV 2022 outputs HDR10+ for DV content streaming on Samsung TV (S95B).
Does anyone know if it converts DV->HDR10+ on the fly or they just provide HDR10+ source?
Test file:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ps8NfU53Ee
uhdiznotenough4mee
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sw5163 wrote:
Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:03 pm
Hi guys, I read something about the new Apple TV 2022 outputs HDR10+ for DV content streaming on Samsung TV (S95B).
Does anyone know if it converts DV->HDR10+ on the fly or they just provide HDR10+ source?
Test file:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ps8NfU53Ee
https://www.whathifi.com/news/hdr10-sup ... ple-tv-app
dcoke22
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I don't think that What Hifi? article really answers the OP's question. Yes, the 2022 AppleTV 4K supports HDR10+. Will it convert Dolby Vision to HDR10+ on the fly? I think that's unlikely, although I have not read an answer to that question.
uhdiznotenough4mee
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dcoke22 wrote:
Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:01 pm
I don't think that What Hifi? article really answers the OP's question. Yes, the 2022 AppleTV 4K supports HDR10+. Will it convert Dolby Vision to HDR10+ on the fly? I think that's unlikely, although I have not read an answer to that question.
Why would it need to convert anything when you can have both HDR10+ and DoVi in one HEVC streamed file and the right one is chosen for you device accordingly?
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ArArdin
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uhdiznotenough4mee wrote:
Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:29 pm
Why would it need to convert anything when you can have both HDR10+ and DoVi in one HEVC streamed file and the reight one is chosen for you device accordingly?
Well, as a first and most basal of thoughts, maybe because then you don't have to convert the file yourself?
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sw5163 wrote:
Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:03 pm
Hi guys, I read something about the new Apple TV 2022 outputs HDR10+ for DV content streaming on Samsung TV (S95B).
Does anyone know if it converts DV->HDR10+ on the fly or they just provide HDR10+ source?
Test file:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ps8NfU53Ee
HDR10+ source is the correct answer.

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sw5163
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bobbymkV wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:27 pm
HDR10+ source is the correct answer.
Thanks!
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Hi! Crop RPU which mode? Thank you in advance.
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i want to buy DUNE HD REAL VISION 4K , do i get dolby vision from mkv 7profile dolby vision BL+EL+RPU, is it real dolby vision on dune hd real vision 4k, please guys i need your advice ?
ArArdin
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Yes, you'll get Dolby Vision with P7 mkv. However in case of FEL, this layer is disregarded and only BL and RPU will be processed.
RTD1619DR based players simply lack a second HEVC decoder.
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Resolve 18.1
To import profile 5 dv clips into resolve they must have dvh1 flag not dvhe flag, tested this on windows platform, test file glass blowing original iOS p5 4K 59.974.
Converted on resolve timeline then export to yuv 422 10bit, along with a new dv analysis xml.
U can then encode in staxrip to a new 8.1(almost no quality loss ) or encode a 8.1/8.4 in resolve it self.
U can also down convert to 1080p if that’s your desire.
Resolve also decoded any p5 encoded from resolve, testing some dv demos and p5 real mov which has mostly dvhe
Will not work on window unless u have a dv license
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ArArdin wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:28 am
Yes, you'll get Dolby Vision with P7 mkv. However in case of FEL, this layer is disregarded and only BL and RPU will be processed.
RTD1619DR based players simply lack a second HEVC decoder.
So this is not real Dolby Vision profile 7.
ArArdin
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daddy wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:33 pm
So this is not real Dolby Vision profile 7.
Here, "this" is a bit tricky as I don't know if you mean the playback or the sourcefile. To start with P7 mkv as source, it is "real" as it does carry all video- and metadata that is on disc.

If you mean "DV FEL playback" on RTD1619DR players, then no, it isn't "real" Dolby Vision. It is noticeable whether FEL is being processed or not. Certainly in A-B comparison.
There are some mediaplayers (and tv's built-in players) that do process FEL. I wouldn't call it "real" Dolby Vision though. Nowadays tv's lack native 12 bit panels and couldn't produce enough nits for even 10 bit colors. So do realise that, after the initial processes which produce a full-blown Dolby Vision image, color depths and brightness dynamics have to be significantly downscaled to meet the display's physical capabilities.
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ArArdin wrote:
Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:29 pm
daddy wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:33 pm
So this is not real Dolby Vision profile 7.
Here, "this" is a bit tricky as I don't know if you mean the playback or the sourcefile. To start with P7 mkv as source, it is "real" as it does carry all video- and metadata that is on disc.

If you mean "DV FEL playback" on RTD1619DR players, then no, it isn't "real" Dolby Vision. It is noticeable whether FEL is being processed or not. Certainly in A-B comparison.
There are some mediaplayers (and tv's built-in players) that do process FEL. I wouldn't call it "real" Dolby Vision though. Nowadays tv's lack native 12 bit panels and couldn't produce enough nits for even 10 bit colors. So do realise that, after the initial processes which produce a full-blown Dolby Vision image, color depths and brightness dynamics have to be significantly downscaled to meet the display's physical capabilities.
So you don t advice DUNE HD REAL VISION 4K for P7 MKV dolby vision to buy ?
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