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Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:18 pm
by SamuriHL
It's helpful but ultimately unnecessary to have FindVUK. You can download the keydb directly from the website. FindVUK just makes it easier to keep it up to date.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:29 pm
by Coopervid
...and with the .bat file it's 1-2-3. No fumbling. All is done automatically.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:33 pm
by rkhollister
SamuriHL wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:18 pm
It's helpful but ultimately unnecessary to have FindVUK. You can download the keydb directly from the website. FindVUK just makes it easier to keep it up to date.
Ah - found the URL in the ini file. Thx for the heads up for us Mac users

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:38 pm
by rkhollister
SamuriHL wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:18 pm
It's helpful but ultimately unnecessary to have FindVUK. You can download the keydb directly from the website. FindVUK just makes it easier to keep it up to date.
So this kinda begs the question of why MakeMKV doesn't just download & use that key file directly instead of rolling its own?

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:50 pm
by MrPenguin
rkhollister wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:38 pm
So this kinda begs the question of why MakeMKV doesn't just download & use that key file directly instead of rolling its own?
Partly because KEYDB.cfg is a "legacy" format that contains less information than either MakeMKV's database or even FinkVUK's XML files.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:51 pm
by SamuriHL
Because as kuel as the keydb is, and it is very very awesome, it's user generated. Meaning it requires people to upload keys. And that's hardly comprehensive of every single disc that someone may encounter. Whereas submitting a dump to MakeMKV submits the data necessary to always (AACS 2.1 notwithstanding) decrypt the keys. I'm just thankful Mike left support for reading the keydb in place.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:44 pm
by Coopervid
MrPenguin wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:50 pm
rkhollister wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:38 pm
So this kinda begs the question of why MakeMKV doesn't just download & use that key file directly instead of rolling its own?
Partly because KEYDB.cfg is a "legacy" format that contains less information than either MakeMKV's database or even FinkVUK's XML files.
Not anymore.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:53 am
by MrPenguin
Coopervid wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:44 pm
MrPenguin wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:50 pm
Partly because KEYDB.cfg is a "legacy" format that contains less information than either MakeMKV's database or even FinkVUK's XML files.
Not anymore.
Err, really? KEYDB.cfg doesn't contain any field for (say) whether the disc uses bus-encryption, whereas FindVUK's XML file does. Everything that comes after ";" in KEYDB.cfg is just a free-format comment.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:05 am
by SamuriHL
EVERY UHD contains bus encryption so that's pointless. The only thing that REALLY matters is the decryption key(s) and the disc ID. It's not like you get to see all that great information from MakeMKV's hashed keys which are embedded and encrypted.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:11 am
by MrPenguin
SamuriHL wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:05 am
EVERY UHD contains bus encryption so that's pointless.
And some non-UHD discs also contain bus encryption. The point is that KEYDB.cfg was created before bus encryption (and UHD!) even existed and so obviously its format doesn't support it.

Re: Makemkv is useless

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:39 am
by SamuriHL
And if you enable LIbreDrive, bus encryption ceases to become a problem. Again, the only thing that REALLY matters is the unit keys and the disc ID. All the other information is wholly irrelevant.