Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[stephon1024]

People have always had mixed results with DV TS file playback on the LG internal player. With full rips, some have worked flawlessly and some will stutter to no end. I've always suggested that if the LG internal player is your only playback device, leave tsmuxer alone and stick to the old mp4muxer method. TSMuxer's main advantage is the ability to mux in both dolby vision and truehd dolby atmos audio tracks. If you're using the TV for playback, the atmos audio track does nothing for you. Have you tried muxing a downsampled BL with the original EL using mp4muxer?

Hey Shawn,

Appreciate the comment.

Yeah i tried the MP4 method and no dice there either. As I stated in a previous post, I can get a "playable" file using the mp4muxer method just like the TSmuxer method - they just stutter like crazy. Since I got the same result using multiple methods I'm starting to think it's a bottleneck with the C9's SOC (system on chip) at the extremely high bitrate the raw BL+EL+RPU file (created using Yusesope's tool) has with no treatment off the disc. It's meant for streaming content from Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ (which has Dolby Vision!) that is compressed (internet... obvi!). It's not a 4K UHD player designed to handle extremely high bitrate multi-layer multi-stream content.

I don't believe it's a compatibility issue as much as a total bitrate issue, but I'll know soon enough. And the TrueHD does matter to me as I'll be running this through a receiver in the future with support for lossless audio, but honestly - TS muxer is just easy to use and LG TV's support TS video format (so does Plex) so I really don't care about the container. I'm mostly concerned with getting a compressed BL layer to merge properly with an EL layer using Yusesope's tool. I think that's my key. Then with a significantly smaller BL+EL+RPU I can either use TSmuxer or mp4muxer to create the final output - at that point it doesn't really matter.

Once I have that... I think I'll be golden.

Did you use mp4muxer with the untouched BL and EL layers and not the result of yusecope's tool? Also it has to be an older version of mp4muxer (mp4muxer64.exe) and not the latest one from github. With that, you shouldn't have any issues with an mp4. Whenever you do get a receiver, be sure to get it along with a dedicated streamer as well since the LGs at the moment is not able to passthrough lossless atmos, even with e-ARC.

Hey Shawn,

I did not use the mp4muxer64.exe... I couldn't find it on the internet!!! That may be my problem...

Anyway you could share your mp4muxer64 folder with me so I could get that verison?

That may be my problem this entire time...

Thanks for the help and great note on the receiver. I'll look for that exactly - had no idea LG didn't have passthrough for TrueHD.

[shawnc22]

Hey Shawn,

I did not use the mp4muxer64.exe... I couldn't find it on the internet!!! That may be my problem...

Anyway you could share your mp4muxer64 folder with me so I could get that verison?

That may be my problem this entire time...

Thanks for the help and great note on the receiver. I'll look for that exactly - had no idea LG didn't have passthrough for TrueHD.

Sure, here you go:

https://mega.nz/file/Jawn3ADa#vN1ai3llv ... ktTQ4uFYkk

The LG passthrough is unfortunately only limited to external devices (even a bit iffy at that with lossless atm, but potential fix coming). With internal apps (internal media player, plex, etc), it will definitely not be able to pass truehd audio onto your future receiver because it lacks the decoder.

[deadchip12]

LG C9

The internal player? I have played 4k hdr files using my c9's internal player and using my pc with PowerDVD 20. The image quality using the internal player is at least as good as when using my pc, which is pretty powerful. The powerdvd software is no slouch either I guess. I'm not sure what kind of magic the oppo device pulls to make the image quality drastically better. Maybe you can try describing the differences you see?

DV in windows with powerdvd?

No, hdr10. I'm just assuming it would be a similar story with dolby vision.

[MartyMcNuts]

Hey Shawn,

Appreciate the comment.

Yeah i tried the MP4 method and no dice there either. As I stated in a previous post, I can get a "playable" file using the mp4muxer method just like the TSmuxer method - they just stutter like crazy. Since I got the same result using multiple methods I'm starting to think it's a bottleneck with the C9's SOC (system on chip) at the extremely high bitrate the raw BL+EL+RPU file (created using Yusesope's tool) has with no treatment off the disc. It's meant for streaming content from Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ (which has Dolby Vision!) that is compressed (internet... obvi!). It's not a 4K UHD player designed to handle extremely high bitrate multi-layer multi-stream content.

I don't believe it's a compatibility issue as much as a total bitrate issue, but I'll know soon enough. And the TrueHD does matter to me as I'll be running this through a receiver in the future with support for lossless audio, but honestly - TS muxer is just easy to use and LG TV's support TS video format (so does Plex) so I really don't care about the container. I'm mostly concerned with getting a compressed BL layer to merge properly with an EL layer using Yusesope's tool. I think that's my key. Then with a significantly smaller BL+EL+RPU I can either use TSmuxer or mp4muxer to create the final output - at that point it doesn't really matter.

Once I have that... I think I'll be golden.

stephon1024,

I've uploaded some new samples for you to try. They are profile 4. Please try the first 2 files. One is a MP4 and the other is a TS.

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 505#p90663

MARTY!!! I don't know what you did or how you did it... but you did it!!! Those dual layer files you gave me with the EL being profile 04.09 worked perfectly. The only one that didn't was the BL_EL_RPU TS file...

How did you put those together? I must know! it's the key!!!!

Thanks so much man!!!

Cool, I'm glad they worked for you. Here are the steps to create them. For this example, I used Birds of Prey which is MEL. Just change the inputs/outputs to your source.


1. Extract the BL and EL to separate hevc files and any audio tracks you want. I prefer to use eac3to for this task. You can use ffmpeg if you want. Here are both commands:

eac3to N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00800.mpls 1) 2: N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL.hevc 3: N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\EL.hevc 4: N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\audio.ac3 -core

ffmpeg -y -hide_banner -analyzeduration 999M -probesize 999M -playlist 00800 -i bluray:N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY -map 0:0 -c:v copy N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL.hevc -map 0:1 -c:v copy N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\EL.hevc -map 0:2 -c:a ac3 -b:a 640k N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\audio.ac3


2. Shrink the BL. I use NVencC64 for this using a bitrate of 25000k. The command is:

NVEncC_5.01_x64\NVEncC64 --avhw -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL.hevc --output-res 3840x2160 --fps 23.976 --codec h265 --preset quality --level 5.1 --profile main10 --tier high --output-depth 10 --lookahead 32 --vbrhq 25000 --output-buf 64 --aud --colorprim bt2020 --colormatrix bt2020nc --transfer smpte2084 --chromaloc 2 --master-display copy --max-cll copy -o N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL_shrunk.hevc


3. Then use mp4muxer to mux the BL, EL and audio to a mp4 file. The command is:

mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 4 -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL_shrunk.hevc -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\EL.hevc -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\audio.ac3 --media-lang eng -o N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\Birds.of.Prey.(2020).2160p.UHDRip.(Dolby.Vision).HEVC.AC3.mp4


This should give you a re-encoded mp4 that is DV 04.06 with AC3 audio.

Here is the link for the Birds of Prey sample I created. It is DV 04.06 with ac3 audio.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/zakxv8ym ... 9.zip/file

[shawnc22]

3. Then use mp4muxer to mux the BL, EL and audio to a mp4 file. The command is:

mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 4 -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL_shrunk.hevc -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\EL.hevc -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\audio.ac3 --media-lang eng -o N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\Birds.of.Prey.(2020).2160p.UHDRip.(Dolby.Vision).HEVC.AC3.mp4

I think profile 7 should really be used here. These are, spec-wise, profile 7 files, and the LG internal player supports it. Any stuttering issues caused by this method is likely because of the bitrate and not the profile choice.

[MartyMcNuts]

3. Then use mp4muxer to mux the BL, EL and audio to a mp4 file. The command is:

mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 4 -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\BL_shrunk.hevc -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\EL.hevc -i N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\audio.ac3 --media-lang eng -o N:\BIRDS_OF_PREY\TEMP_FOLDER\Birds.of.Prey.(2020).2160p.UHDRip.(Dolby.Vision).HEVC.AC3.mp4

I think profile 7 should really be used here. These are, spec-wise, profile 7 files, and the LG internal player supports it. Any stuttering issues caused by this method is likely because of the bitrate and not the profile choice.

You are probably right but stephon1024 asked for profile 4 so that is what I showed.

[jlpsvk]

any way to add subtitles, dts-hd ma to MP4???

[RESET_9999]

any way to add subtitles, dts-hd ma to MP4???

need to be SRT

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ffmpeg.exe -i X:\DTSHD.mka -map 0:0 -c copy X:\DTSHD.mp4

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mp4box.exe -add X:\DV.mp4:rate=0 -add D:\DTSHD.mp4#audio:lang=en-EN -add X:\SUBS.srt#subtitle:lang=en-EN -tmp X:\ -brand mp42isom -ab dby1 -no-iod X:\DV-DTSHD-SUBS.mp4

[sonysg]

any way to add subtitles, dts-hd ma to MP4???

need to be SRT

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ffmpeg.exe -i X:\DTSHD.mka -map 0:0 -c copy X:\DTSHD.mp4

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mp4box.exe -add X:\DV.mp4:rate=0 -add D:\DTSHD.mp4#audio:lang=en-EN -add X:\SUBS.srt#subtitle:lang=en-EN -tmp X:\ -brand mp42isom -ab dby1 -no-iod X:\DV-DTSHD-SUBS.mp4

sorry it mean .ass and .sup still yet to be supported?

[Woodstock]

Subtitle types you can put in an MP4 file are very limited. Other than timed text and closed captioning, everything else depends on the player understanding a non-standard extension.

[chrisandy]

The 0.0.4 ALFA version of my program is out.
As always, I have updated my original post (at the bottom). HERE.

Two main changes:

• the ability to manage raw streams extracted from REMUXed files (out there, into the wild) that in the past have retained the stream relating to the Enhancement Layer.

• given the requests of different users, I have introduced the DEMUX function. Starting from a raw Single Track Double Layer HEVC file (BL_EL_RPU.hevc) it is possible to restore the Base Layer (BL.hevc) and the Enhancement Layer (EL_RPU.hevc)

People who are afraid of black screens with white writing (a.k.a command line), can use the handy "MUXER.bat" (the old "start_bl_el_rpu_builder.bat") and "DEMUXER.bat" files and follow the instructions on the screen.
The more practical ones can run the program with the "-h" switch and see the help output.

Considerations:

• as for the first point, I recommend to always use the copy of your original disc. Technically speaking, REMUXed files may have lost important information during their creation. So a 1:1 copy of a BD disc may be different than a 1:1 copy of a REMUXed file. Take a look at the counters: if the total number of Access Units of BL Layer is different from that of EL Layer (the numbers you see in parentheses), it is likely that the file obtained does not work correctly (especially if the difference is greater than 1).
  
  WARNING

  Out of curiosity, I tested my program using a REMUXed mkv (Birds of Prey) that can be found "into the wild".
  The first video stream is already a BL_EL_RPU stream (evidently they used the latest version of MakeMKV) and then they added a second video stream which is actually the Enhancement Layer.
  A mess...
  
  If you mux (using my program) these anomalous video streams you will create a file with duplicate layers (because part of them were already present in the first stream which, strictly speaking, should be the Base Layer and not Base Layer + Enhancement Layer).
  
  Pay attention to the REMUX (with two video streams) created after the release of the latest version of MakeMKV (v1.15.1).
  
  The good news is that, if you notice it before making a mess, you can directly import the REMUX file into tsMuxer and tick only the box of the first video stream!

• As for the second point, if you intend to use the DEMUX function starting from REMUXed files (even those created with the latest version of MakeMKV), in case you want to recreate a BL_EL_RPU.hevc file you MUST NECESSARILY use version 0.0.4 ALFA of my program. Previous versions (<= 0.0.3) will not be able to complete the analysis and writing cycle of the file.

• It's an experimental version, there are likely to be errors in the code ( ).
  If you provide me with relevant feedback, I will try to improve it!

First a very big thank you for the new tool.
I am going to try the Demux tool. Once demuxed how can I mux again with the new Alfa tool in -mode 2 (BL+RPU)?

Edit: Demuxed Cold Pursuit BL_EL_RPU and got BL and EL_RPU. Muxed this 2 files with your new tool in -mode 2 and the muxed file in tsmuxer profile5 (single layer). This final file works beautifully in Apple 4k via Infuse app with DV and LPCM audio.
Thank you maestro, you are a genius.

Trying to achieve this but unfortunately level is grayed out for me - is there something obvious I am missing?

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[sonysg]

Subtitle types you can put in an MP4 file are very limited. Other than timed text and closed captioning, everything else depends on the player understanding a non-standard extension.

I see I hope future improve version of makemkv could support different type of subtitle format

[jlpsvk]

Trying to achieve this but unfortunately level is grayed out for me - is there something obvious I am missing?

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Don't download latest nigthly of tsMuxer, but this one:

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https://bintray.com/justdan96/tsMuxer/tsMuxerGUI-Nightly/2020-03-30--02-11-36#files

it will create dvhe.05 instead dvhe.06...

[jlpsvk]

so... I achieved this... with the help of mp4box i think, would be good enough.

1) demux with tsMuxer...
2) encode BL
3) mux BL_encode.hevc with EL.hevc with yousesope's tools with mode 2 to BL+RPU
4) mux only video to mp4 with mp4muxer 1.0.1
5) add audio, subs, chapters to MP4 with mp4box

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Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/iso6/isom/msdh/dby1)
File size                                : 10.1 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 48 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 13.2 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 1, HDR10+ Profile B compatible
Codec ID                                 : dvhe
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration                                 : 1 h 48 min
Bit rate                                 : 12.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.061
Stream size                              : 9.24 GiB (92%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : BT.2020
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 683 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 136 cd/m2
Codec configuration box                  : dvcC+hvcC

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : ac-3
Duration                                 : 1 h 48 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 473 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 349 MiB (3%)
Title                                    : Czech
Language                                 : Czech
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : ac-3
Duration                                 : 1 h 48 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 676 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 499 MiB (5%)
Title                                    : English
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Text #1
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : VobSub
Codec ID                                 : mp4s-E0
Codec ID/Info                            : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Duration                                 : 1 h 42 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 312 b/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 91.3 kb/s
Stream size                              : 240 KiB (0%)
Title                                    : Czech Forced
Language                                 : Czech
Forced                                   : No

Text #2
ID                                       : 5
Format                                   : VobSub
Codec ID                                 : mp4s-E0
Codec ID/Info                            : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Duration                                 : 1 h 48 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 7 768 b/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 104 kb/s
Stream size                              : 6.05 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : Czech Full
Language                                 : Czech
Forced                                   : No

Text #3
ID                                       : 6
Format                                   : Timed Text
Codec ID                                 : tx3g
Duration                                 : 1 h 42 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 2 b/s
Stream size                              : 1.50 KiB (0%)
Title                                    : Czech Forced SRT
Language                                 : Czech
Forced                                   : Yes

Text #4
ID                                       : 7
Format                                   : Timed Text
Codec ID                                 : tx3g
Duration                                 : 1 h 48 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 63 b/s
Stream size                              : 50.3 KiB (0%)
Title                                    : Czech Full SRT
Language                                 : Czech
Forced                                   : No

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[Woodstock]

I see I hope future improve version of makemkv could support different type of subtitle format

DV in MKV is really the only hope for that - MP4 standards are outside the control of anyone "poor". The most radical change driven by anyone outside the standards body on that front was driven in partby Apple, with MP4 chapters via a special subtitle track in to "m4v" files. Nero introduced a standardized (but not standard) way to put VOBSUB subtitles from DVDs in as a track.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Pa ... ta_streams for what can be in an MP4.