Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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kazuma
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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why are some movies 4000nits MDL on the disc? and other ones 1000nits? what are the differences?
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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@RESET_9999 In the case of How to Train Your Dragon (2025), why would the artist put all that effort into a detailed 100nit trim, only to cancel it at 300nits? Feels like a waste of time and effort.

Also, how do the saturation and hue fields work? Are they applied regardless of TV capabilities, or do they target a specific trim?
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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kazuma wrote:
Sun Aug 10, 2025 6:32 pm
why are some movies 4000nits MDL on the disc? and other ones 1000nits? what are the differences?
it's a studio decision to grade movies on 4000 or 1000 nits mastering monitor.
coopzr wrote:
Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:45 pm
@RESET_9999 In the case of How to Train Your Dragon (2025), why would the artist put all that effort into a detailed 100nit trim, only to cancel it at 300nits? Feels like a waste of time and effort.
Also, how do the saturation and hue fields work? Are they applied regardless of TV capabilities, or do they target a specific trim?
Because the 100-nit trim is delivered for the SDR Blu-ray release. Personally, I like when they explicitly cancel trim interpolation to other targets like that. It shows that the colorist knows what he’s doing and that he wanted the 100-nit trim to be more aggressive while keeping the higher targets intact, since most of this movie sits under 300 nits anyway and don't need tone mapping.

When they apply a strong 100-nit trim, if they push it too far, it can result in higher targets appearing brighter than the HDR master. That doesn’t really make sense, because with a 1000-nit MDL DV grade, those trims will be ignored on TVs with a peak brightness higher than the 1000 nits MDL. So if the 100-nit trim ends up brightening beyond the master, an 800-nit TV could actually show a brighter HDR presentation than a 1000-nit+ TV, which isn’t logical. The whole purpose of trims is to fine-tune tone mapping when the content exceeds the TV’s capabilities, not to make the image brighter than the HDR master itself.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Aug 19, 2025 9:59 pm
Because the 100-nit trim is delivered for the SDR Blu-ray release.
Makes sense.

Do you mind explaining what saturation and hue fields are and how they work? I don't recall you talking about them in your explanation videos. The only thing I know is that they have something to do with colors... and they appear to be set by the colorist during some parts of movies.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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They’re essentially just extra fine-tuning colors controls for the colorist during the SDR trim pass creation. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 600–1000-nit trim that actually makes use of them, but it’s possible.
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