Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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deadchip12
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:04 am
deadchip12 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:11 am
About the known issues/limitations of the x700, it says "L2 trim does not work in LLDV". LLDV is the inferior player led dolby vision, correct? What about tv led dolby vision that tvs like lg oled support? I remember it was pointed out here a while back that there were some dolby vision issues with lg oled from previous years; is it player led or tv led dolby vision? Also, based in the spreadsheet, the x800m2 does not have this issue?
LG TVs support TV-LED so you don't have to worry about that.
Didn't you say a while ago that the C2 had issues with dolby vision on the x800m2? And then there were multiple test files. I tried those on my C9 and x700 and also saw the differences at L1 and L2, etc. Sth about the compatibility of Dolby Vision 2.9 and 4.0
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yes, but it has nothing to do with TV-LED which was your question. And I never tested the x800m2 lldv/player-led, that's why there is no mention about the x700 LLDV bug but i expect the same.

About the L1/L2 bug:
So far I'm only seeing differences with the Spears and Munsil clip and the L1/L2 pattern but I only tested two other videos, I didnt have much time to test more content ... I will test more until I'm convinced...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCTCsE-E1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iCvnycg2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dupNfI8vkPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxpMguEmVBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtwu1bwlug
Please forgive my English.
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deadchip12
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:45 am
yes, but it has nothing to do with TV-LED which was your question. And I never tested the x800m2 lldv/player-led, that's why there is no mention about the x700 LLDV bug but i expect the same.

About the L1/L2 bug:
So far I'm only seeing differences with the Spears and Munsil clip and the L1/L2 pattern but I only tested two other videos, I didnt have much time to test more content ... I will test more until I'm convinced...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCTCsE-E1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iCvnycg2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dupNfI8vkPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxpMguEmVBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtwu1bwlug
Sorry I'm a bit confused. So tv led and player led dolby vision, each has their own issues?

If I watch a dolby vision movie on the x700 connected to an lg oled, and I suppose what I get is tv led dolby vision, will there be any issue?
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:42 am
instead of answering always the same question over and over, I made an excel sheet resuming pretty much everything that works or not.
If you want to add anything, let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Hi RESET_9999,

The link is not working anymore. It was very useful. Can you repost it again? Thanks for your great effort.
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Hello RESST_999 to see if this is possible and how it could be done.
I have a Remastered version of a movie, which instead of having a Bitrate of 50Mb/s like the one in UHD, has a Bitrate of 72Mb/s. I also have the DV(1920x1080) video track from the Full UHD version, and my intention is to put this DV track into the remastered video track to create a profile 8, but according to StaxRip they have a frame difference of 22.
How could this be done, if possible?
Thank you very much and greetings
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Donpoku »

deadchip12 wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:13 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:45 am
yes, but it has nothing to do with TV-LED which was your question. And I never tested the x800m2 lldv/player-led, that's why there is no mention about the x700 LLDV bug but i expect the same.

About the L1/L2 bug:
So far I'm only seeing differences with the Spears and Munsil clip and the L1/L2 pattern but I only tested two other videos, I didnt have much time to test more content ... I will test more until I'm convinced...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOCTCsE-E1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3iCvnycg2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dupNfI8vkPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxpMguEmVBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtwu1bwlug
Sorry I'm a bit confused. So tv led and player led dolby vision, each has their own issues?

If I watch a dolby vision movie on the x700 connected to an lg oled, and I suppose what I get is tv led dolby vision, will there be any issue?
No your C9 is not affected, it was C1/C2(new Cm4)on x7/800(old cm2).
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Slennox wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:21 am
RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:42 am
instead of answering always the same question over and over, I made an excel sheet resuming pretty much everything that works or not.
If you want to add anything, let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Hi RESET_9999,

The link is not working anymore. It was very useful. Can you repost it again? Thanks for your great effort.
Look for a RESET_999 message and below the signature, click on Dolby Vision Material
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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djanvi2020 wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:40 am
Interesting thought,

A majority of my Dolby Atmos DV discs have 7.1 and DD+ can do 7.1 Unless i missed the memo that DV MP4 or TS files doesnt like 7.1, why aernt we using it if Dolby Atmos or Dolby True HD tracks are in 7.1 and the Dolby Scripts downgrades it to 5.1?

why are we losing those two channels cause i do have a system that can do 7.1 and DD+ can have 7.1?

??????
Hi,
Just to let you know that I've added a free way to encode 7.1 EC3 track in DoVi_Scripts_1.5.8 (6-3-8).
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/fold ... J2M9DvOQRu
The only problem right now is that tsmuxer cant mux those files properly but it should be fixed in the next nightly build. Mkvtoolnix is fine.
Jose1001 wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:46 am
Hello RESST_999 to see if this is possible and how it could be done.
I have a Remastered version of a movie, which instead of having a Bitrate of 50Mb/s like the one in UHD, has a Bitrate of 72Mb/s. I also have the DV(1920x1080) video track from the Full UHD version, and my intention is to put this DV track into the remastered video track to create a profile 8, but according to StaxRip they have a frame difference of 22.
How could this be done, if possible?
Thank you very much and greetings
MODE.I (1-1) can do that but your two sources are most likely different HDR grades so unless you compare the brightness/colors (6-2-3 6-2-2) and get a close enough match, I wouldn't do that.
Donpoku wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:00 pm
No your C9 is not affected, it was C1/C2(new Cm4)on x7/800(old cm2).
The C9 also has the CMV4.0 engine and according to @ deadchip12 it has the same L1/L2 reaction difference as shown here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJtwu1bwlug
deadchip12 wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:13 pm
Sorry I'm a bit confused. So tv led and player led dolby vision, each has their own issues?
If I watch a dolby vision movie on the x700 connected to an lg oled, and I suppose what I get is tv led dolby vision, will there be any issue?
yes, two different issues. Again, forget about LLDV if you have an LG TV (or any recent TVs I guess).
Slennox wrote:
Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:21 am
Hi RESET_9999,
The link is not working anymore. It was very useful. Can you repost it again? Thanks for your great effort.
The link in my signature contains all the info about DV.

Image
Please forgive my English.
Sony x800m2 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C2 77"
Dolby Vision Stuff
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Hi! 7) MODE.M4= MP4_MUXER Workflows / 4) MODE.4= Apple iOS compatible MP4 after my iPhone 12 Pro max why is the screen green? https://radikal.host/i/photo.1wEtX
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legosoff wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:55 pm
Hi! 7) MODE.M4= MP4_MUXER Workflows / 4) MODE.4= Apple iOS compatible MP4 after my iPhone 12 Pro max why is the screen green? https://radikal.host/i/photo.1wEtX
It's most likely caused by the additional mapping data in FEL RPU.
sw5163 wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:28 am
staknhalo wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:54 pm
You see flashing color artifacts as a result of RPU being improperly misaligned, but processed (or attempted, it's affecting it in some way)
I think those are caused by processing "reshaping data" in RPU (polynomial, and MMR mapping).

From my understanding, P5 RPU has "reshaping data" for ICtCp->YCbCr.
P8.1 RPU doesn't need "reshaping data" for HDR10->HDR10.
P8.4 RPU has "reshaping data" for HLG->PQ.
P7 RPU has "reshaping data" for processing the weird colour in EL (I'm not sure what it really does)

MPV can adapt those polynomial, and MMR mapping for ICtCp->YCbCr, HLG->HDR10 etc.
However, it can't process EL and merge that with BL like proper dolby decoding engine.
Resulting in wrongly processing those "reshaping data" on BL.

I think RPU consists ("reshaping data" for colour space transformation) + (Levels for brightness/contrast trimming)
So you can see some artifacts when scene/brightness change, but it's wrong.
And MPV just abandons all the brightness/contrast trimming.

It’s also probably the reason why it’s so important to “remove_mapping” when converting FEL->MEL

I'm not sure about this, please point out my mistakes, many thanks.
I'm not sure if RESET_9999 's script supports "remove_mapping", you may need to wait for his guidance.
If not, you can also do it manually https://www.avsforum.com/threads/apple- ... n.3252865/
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Post by RESET_9999 »

yes, all the workflows except the manual one remove the mapping.( hevc input workflow 1: since I didn't expect someone to input raw p7 hevc, i dont even remember adding support for p7 there lol)
His file looks like a real profile 5 though. I don't have any apple devices so I can't help him.
Please forgive my English.
Sony x800m2 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C2 77"
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legosoff
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by legosoff »

sw5163 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:13 am
legosoff wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:55 pm
Hi! 7) MODE.M4= MP4_MUXER Workflows / 4) MODE.4= Apple iOS compatible MP4 after my iPhone 12 Pro max why is the screen green? https://radikal.host/i/photo.1wEtX
It's most likely caused by the additional mapping data in FEL RPU.
sw5163 wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:28 am
staknhalo wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:54 pm
You see flashing color artifacts as a result of RPU being improperly misaligned, but processed (or attempted, it's affecting it in some way)
I think those are caused by processing "reshaping data" in RPU (polynomial, and MMR mapping).

From my understanding, P5 RPU has "reshaping data" for ICtCp->YCbCr.
P8.1 RPU doesn't need "reshaping data" for HDR10->HDR10.
P8.4 RPU has "reshaping data" for HLG->PQ.
P7 RPU has "reshaping data" for processing the weird colour in EL (I'm not sure what it really does)

MPV can adapt those polynomial, and MMR mapping for ICtCp->YCbCr, HLG->HDR10 etc.
However, it can't process EL and merge that with BL like proper dolby decoding engine.
Resulting in wrongly processing those "reshaping data" on BL.

I think RPU consists ("reshaping data" for colour space transformation) + (Levels for brightness/contrast trimming)
So you can see some artifacts when scene/brightness change, but it's wrong.
And MPV just abandons all the brightness/contrast trimming.

It’s also probably the reason why it’s so important to “remove_mapping” when converting FEL->MEL

I'm not sure about this, please point out my mistakes, many thanks.
I'm not sure if RESET_9999 's script supports "remove_mapping", you may need to wait for his guidance.
If not, you can also do it manually https://www.avsforum.com/threads/apple- ... n.3252865/
Thanks for the reply. How do I re-process, 4) MODE.P= / 2) MODE.2= right?
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legosoff wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:17 am
Thanks for the reply. How do I re-process, 4) MODE.P= / 2) MODE.2= right?
if your input is a bluray disc folder yes. 7-4-2 or 7-4-3
if it's a P7 mkv then use 7-4-4 or 7-4-5

7-4-1 is only for when you want to mux raw P5/P8 HEVC,AC3,EC3,SRT...
Please forgive my English.
Sony x800m2 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C2 77"
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Post by hell001 »

Hi all. Stupid question here, but is there a difference between a 1080p DV layer and 2160p DV layer? There is a release I am trying to hybridize and I have the 4K HDR, but only have access to the 1080p Profile 5 DV. Does anyone have any experience with something like that?
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:51 pm
legosoff wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:17 am
Thanks for the reply. How do I re-process, 4) MODE.P= / 2) MODE.2= right?
if your input is a bluray disc folder yes. 7-4-2 or 7-4-3
if it's a P7 mkv then use 7-4-4 or 7-4-5

7-4-1 is only for when you want to mux raw P5/P8 HEVC,AC3,EC3,SRT...
how do i know when it is a profile 7 file?
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