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Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:05 pm
by gumajatsu
Hello everyone.
I have an old LG BH16NS40 drive, manufactured in 2014. It currently has FW1.00. I know it will never be UHD friendly and i don't intend to update it with FW from the guide available here, but i have an issue with a blu-ray i own. Everytime i try to play it, i get displayed a message indicating that my drive needs an update to play the disc correctly. I tried three different backup softwares, including makemkv, but everytime i start the BDMV folder in VLC, i get the same message without the blu-ray actually starting. If i choose to skip menus in VLC the movie starts, but obviously i can not access the menu this way.
Is this an issue with the disc, do i need to update my drives FW or do i actually need a newer drive? I'm lost...
Greetings gumajatsu
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:16 pm
by dcoke22
Does the problematic disc have AACS v82 encryption? If so, eventually MakeMKV will support it.
If you got another drive that supported
LibreDrive, you could play it now.
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:37 pm
by MrPenguin
gumajatsu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:05 pm
Everytime i try to play it, i get displayed a message indicating that my drive needs an update to play the disc correctly.
Did MakeMKV create a TGZ dump file for this disk? If so, perhaps post that file here please so that people can examine it?
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:24 pm
by gumajatsu
dcoke22 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:16 pm
Does the problematic disc have AACS v82 encryption?
The disc has AACS v19 and BD+ v2010.9 protection. Sadly i don't have another drive at the moment.
MrPenguin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:37 pm
Did MakeMKV create a TGZ dump file for this disk? If so, perhaps post that file here please so that people can examine it?
Can't find a TGZ dump file in the MAKEMKV folder. I will try to back it up again with "log debug messages" enabled once i'm back from vacation in a few days and post it here.
This is a screenshot of VLC player when i try to start the disc.
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:02 pm
by MrPenguin
gumajatsu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:24 pm
The disc has AACS v19 and BD+ v2010.9 protection.
Have you installed the
support for BD+? This is libbdplus, the vm files and all of the BD+ tables.
I don't have many disks with BD+, but I have still been able to play them in VLC.
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:17 pm
by gumajatsu
MrPenguin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:02 pm
Have you installed the
support for BD+? This is libbdplus, the vm files and all of the BD+ tables.
Yes, it is installed. Other BD+ protected discs play without issue.
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:23 pm
by MrPenguin
gumajatsu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:17 pm
Yes, it is installed. Other BD+ protected discs play without issue.
Are there BD+ tables for your particular disk? I still don't know which disk we are talking about here.
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:58 pm
by gumajatsu
Sorry, should have included it in the original post:
The A Team
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:07 pm
by MrPenguin
gumajatsu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:58 pm
Sorry, should have included it in the original post:
The A Team
libbdplus
does have some tables for "The A Team", although I cannot tell if they match your
particular disk without also knowing your disk's MK and Unit Key. Could you make your disk's
AACS/Unit_Key_RO.inf and
AACS/MKB_RO.inf files available please? Either as attachments, or by providing a download link?
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:22 pm
by gumajatsu
I will do that as soon as i can, probably on monday. Thanks for looking into it!
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:15 pm
by gumajatsu
See
- AACS_A.Team.zip
- Unit_Key_RO. inf and MKB_RO.inf packed as zip
- (14.06 KiB) Downloaded 840 times
for the requested files.
I'm wondering... Shouldn't makemkv remove the BD+ protection or does it rely on the tables from libbdplus aswell?
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:28 pm
by MrPenguin
gumajatsu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:15 pm
See AACS_A.Team.zip for the requested files.
AFAICT your disk has both an entry in KEYDB.cfg:
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0xE080FD4A6FCB59D7D570A7D2B6B8EAE17D8F20E7 = A_TEAM_F8 (The A-Team) | D | 2010-09-24 | ...
and a BD+ table:
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.config/bdplus/convtab/43A4D2779CA340C5707B54BE922DD5EB_A_TEAM_F8.bin
I don't know if MakeMKV can remove the BD+, but I would expect (say) VLC to be able to play this disk directly.
Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:37 pm
by gumajatsu
Alright, thanks for checking it out for me!
Seems like i need to watch it without menu then.
